Airline flying while AGR
 

Anyone have any details on this?
Hearing some stories of AGRs flying for the airlines rather than taking mil leave. Seem to fly trips on their off time or taking leave. Permission given from both Company and Mil leadership.

Sounds sketchy to me...and maybe illegal.

Thoughts or experience?

Shouldn't be illegal.

Like many other off duty activities, you'd probably need the CoC's permission. My guess is that you could get it.

The airline would also have to authorize it, their default policy is no flying on mil days. They might not be as forthcoming as the mil... they don't want to encourage folks to drop mil, and then get to eat their cake too. My guess would be that legacies would say no way. Other airline employers might be willing to, if they think it helps their staffing. Start with your union mil committee, if there's local precedent they should know.

If you don't take mil leave, that would be interesting. Airline might be more willing to go for it since ultimately they still have control over you if push comes to shove.

Might also be able to drop periodic mil, as though you were a TR, to deconflict airline and mil. Seems that the cleanest path would be mil leave with permission to pick up airline trips when you have time off from the mil.

Mil flying by uniformed personnel does not count in any way against 117 or any other FAA flight/duty limits (just need to be non-fatigued when you show up for 121).

That would apply to AGR. Not sure about Technicians though, their mil flying while not in a man day status might constitute commercial flying and therefore count against other commercial flying... would have to read the regs precisely and google FAA legal interpretations.

Depends on the type or orders…

A while back a drone guard O5 on title 10 orders was picking up premium flying at AA during contract negotiations (shocker) on non flying guard days. It manifested as an issue with squadron scheduling when he was declaring he was unavailable (since he was picking up trips at AA) while on orders and he was told to knock it off… he didn’t and the squadron ended up missing combat sorties when he broke in Central America on AA trip and couldn’t fly his robot line like he was supposed to… unfortunately for this particular guy, a search of his name identified Chip Long as his boss at AA and Good ole Chip got a call from his wing commander, and the Guard opened up an investigation on him and AA had the guard turn over all of this dudes military schedules so they could investigate him on their end as well. Pretty sure the union had to get involved with his AA carpet dance to keep his job there but he was invited to retire from the Guard shortly thereafter.

What? Troll detected.

Either way, no. This is completely illegal. Anyone doing it, as mentioned above, will get caught and should face the music accordingly.

Title 32 AGR not title 10. And the flying is done on days off (sat/sun) or taking leave for the day.

If this is something you’re exploring for yourself, perhaps better to consult the SJA/JAG to clear it on your end.

You can get permission from both parties. It is not inherently illegal.

Might be hard to get permission from one or both employers. Lots of mil folks have part time jobs on their days off. The complication for pilots is leaving 50 mile radius and the risk of potentially getting stuck somewhere. But the same could happen to SM's who go to Vegas for the holiday weekend.

This is 100% real. It's actually worse than the OP posits. It extends even further than questions of just flying the line. Title 32 got jack to do with it either.

you need to be on leave ANY day you are working for someone other than the military.. doesn’t matter t10 or 32..and doesn’t matter if it’s the weekend or not.

100% illegal.

FAFO.