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Wdc0001 04-03-2024 06:50 AM

Logbook presentation for interviews?
 
Like most military flyers we have the line-by-line records and everything from our SARM/HARM, but if you have converted it to digital how are people prepping the official document for interviews? I heard recently from the Hiring Director at American on the Ready4Pushback podcast that American actually grades and gives a percentage of your weighted grade toward you logbook. He would not disclose whether it was the accumulation of hours or presentation of the logbooks that goes into the grade.

I used MilKeep to convert mine and everything matches and adds up as it should so I'm not concerned with that side of the logbook prep, but I'm unsure what avenue to take with printing & binding options. I

Looking for suggestions for digital logbook users, and specifically Milkeep users.

rickair7777 04-03-2024 10:49 AM

I would take every opportunity to present an immaculately professional demeanor in all respects when interacting with a legacy airline.

I don't think they're too particular about the exact format, but it's probably worth the effort (or money to pay someone else) to make it accurate and presentable.

The various electronic logbooks all have a print feature, you can take the file to kinkos and they'll print and bind it for you.

Sliceback 04-03-2024 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Wdc0001 (Post 3788423)
Like most military flyers we have the line-by-line records and everything from our SARM/HARM, but if you have converted it to digital how are people prepping the official document for interviews? I heard recently from the Hiring Director at American on the Ready4Pushback podcast that American actually grades and gives a percentage of your weighted grade toward you logbook. He would not disclose whether it was the accumulation of hours or presentation of the logbooks that goes into the grade.

I used MilKeep to convert mine and everything matches and adds up as it should so I'm not concerned with that side of the logbook prep, but I'm unsure what avenue to take with printing & binding options. I

Looking for suggestions for digital logbook users, and specifically Milkeep users.

They do value quality of flight time. I doubt they care if you have a 'pretty' logbook. Organized? Sure. Pretty? Yeah, just like most women have a LBD (little black dress) most pilots have several BBL's (big black logbooks). BBL's should be good enough.

Otterbox 04-03-2024 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Wdc0001 (Post 3788423)
Like most military flyers we have the line-by-line records and everything from our SARM/HARM, but if you have converted it to digital how are people prepping the official document for interviews? I heard recently from the Hiring Director at American on the Ready4Pushback podcast that American actually grades and gives a percentage of your weighted grade toward you logbook. He would not disclose whether it was the accumulation of hours or presentation of the logbooks that goes into the grade.

I used MilKeep to convert mine and everything matches and adds up as it should so I'm not concerned with that side of the logbook prep, but I'm unsure what avenue to take with printing & binding options. I

Looking for suggestions for digital logbook users, and specifically Milkeep users.

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ThumbsUp 04-04-2024 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by Wdc0001 (Post 3788423)
Like most military flyers we have the line-by-line records and everything from our SARM/HARM, but if you have converted it to digital how are people prepping the official document for interviews? I heard recently from the Hiring Director at American on the Ready4Pushback podcast that American actually grades and gives a percentage of your weighted grade toward you logbook. He would not disclose whether it was the accumulation of hours or presentation of the logbooks that goes into the grade.

I used MilKeep to convert mine and everything matches and adds up as it should so I'm not concerned with that side of the logbook prep, but I'm unsure what avenue to take with printing & binding options. I

Looking for suggestions for digital logbook users, and specifically Milkeep users.

Why not just give them your military records? That’s what everyone else does/did.

ps2sunvalley 04-04-2024 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3788942)
Why not just give them your military records? That’s what everyone else does/did.

There's something to be said about plopping a green folder on the desk that isn't actually that organized because the system is very antiquated, and taking the time to have your own logbook with the same information presented in a more easily digestible way that looks like a civilian logbook so that someone who may have never seen Air Force time logging can look through.

Make a logbook, but take the military records as they are the "source".

tnkrdrvr 04-05-2024 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by ps2sunvalley (Post 3788948)
There's something to be said about plopping a green folder on the desk that isn't actually that organized because the system is very antiquated, and taking the time to have your own logbook with the same information presented in a more easily digestible way that looks like a civilian logbook so that someone who may have never seen Air Force time logging can look through.

Make a logbook, but take the military records as they are the "source".

Different airlines have different preferences. For my interview I brought a complete copy of my HARM records and a cover sheet that broke down how I calculated the numbers in my application. The interviewers thanked me for making it so easy to understand and didn’t ask any further questions about my flight time. That was for UPS.

alwayshungry 04-05-2024 09:25 AM

It would be nice if HARM/SARM had the most accurate records. Definitely some blame on me who signed off on it, but I wasn't really concerned with my hours over a decade ago. I went and put it all in a spreadsheet, took me a couple of months and asking friends to verify some dates/times. I hope it'll work. Any suggestions for pointing out omissions on the line-by-line HARM didn't include in my records, or discrepancy on hours? I did keep a pocket calendar with general information, but not as accurate as a logbook.

tnkrdrvr 04-05-2024 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by alwayshungry (Post 3789165)
It would be nice if HARM/SARM had the most accurate records. Definitely some blame on me who signed off on it, but I wasn't really concerned with my hours over a decade ago. I went and put it all in a spreadsheet, took me a couple of months and asking friends to verify some dates/times. I hope it'll work. Any suggestions for pointing out omissions on the line-by-line HARM didn't include in my records, or discrepancy on hours? I did keep a pocket calendar with general information, but not as accurate as a logbook.

Are we talking 20-30 hours off or hundreds? The reality is the source document says what it says. You can transfer it all to a civilian logbook and add in what you think they missed/screwed up/etc., but if your logbook says you have 3200 hours and your HARM printout says 2500 hours you will have some explaining to do. It’s not worth it.

ThumbsUp 04-05-2024 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by ps2sunvalley (Post 3788948)
There's something to be said about plopping a green folder on the desk that isn't actually that organized because the system is very antiquated, and taking the time to have your own logbook with the same information presented in a more easily digestible way that looks like a civilian logbook so that someone who may have never seen Air Force time logging can look through.

Make a logbook, but take the military records as they are the "source".

Every interviewer at a legacy has seen military flight records hundreds of times. Not sure what all the services have, but all that is referenced is the flying history report from an AF guy/gal (if I’m remembering the correct term). It’s a far more verifiable format than making something up on your own and is appreciated. But do whatever they tell you to do nowadays at your target airline. I can only speak for UAL.


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