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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3800759)
Well, they are rebuilding the North Airfield at Tinian. Guam and Tinian are a lot more unsinkable than a CVN. And Tinian is experienced at launching nuclear strikes if it comes to that, albeit it's been 80 years.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3800901)
Runways can still be bombed/missiled.
Islands are a lot less stealthy and manueverable compared to a CVN. [ And the Marianas are long way from the fight. Tradeoffs. |
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 3800761)
How much cheaper is a Block 70 Viper or Super Hornet compared to a 15EX or F35?
Yeah 5th gen are the bees knees, but quantity has its own quality...especially if involved in a CAS mission. I don't see Fat Amy doing anything for troops in contact other than dropping JDAMs from above 10k. |
Originally Posted by Panthertamer79
(Post 3801027)
Block 70 Vipers and Super Hornets come in at ~$65M each, while an EX and a Panther are about the same ~$85-90M each. I think your comments above are right on… we need quality and quantity, with a healthy mix of both 4th and 5th Gen to cover the full spectrum of warfare. The F-35 does a lot of things very well, and couldn’t agree more that CAS (at least low threat, COIN style CAS) isn’t one of them. I hope we buy a bunch of Block 70’s and EX’s personably… basically 5th Gen bells and whistles in 4th Gen body.
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Originally Posted by PickleRick
(Post 3799700)
The idea of the big wigs is that the USAF doesn’t really do CAS in future conflicts. Whether or not that’s correct is up for debate, especially since recent conflicts have a funny way of including a lot of CAS.
However, plenty of aircraft do CAS other than the A-10. F-35, F-16, F-15E, MQ-9, even B-1s. Nothing as good as the A-10 in most cases. IF CAS is required, my guess is that the USAF relies on those assets and others. But as stated above, CAS is a low priority mission set when it comes to planning for future conflicts. The last 30 years of conflict the U.S. has operated in a air superiority to air dominance arena. A near peer conflict will be nothing like that. Ukraine war has showed the exploding value of drone warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 3801397)
Battle of Kasham had zero A-10's. Air dominance allowed B-1's, B-52's, C-130 gunships, etc, to provide CAS.
The last 30 years of conflict the U.S. has operated in a air superiority to air dominance arena. A near peer conflict will be nothing like that. Ukraine war has showed the exploding value of drone warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham https://www.twz.com/air/f-35as-belea...ally-effective Of course, you only have about three seconds worth of ammo so it probably won't take many drones out of a swarm unless you have a lot of wingmen. A whole squadron of Super Tucanos with a couple of dedicated radar controllers to vector them in woukd be a whole lot cheaper and likely just as effective. |
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