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skycowboy 11-27-2007 09:34 AM

Fighter Jocks and Old School Aviation Buffs give me a hand...
 
I have read in a couple of different places that the F-104 Starfighters best glide with T/O flaps up is 275kts... And they went on to say that above FL500, this is supersonic..

Ok is that true? I am having a bit of trouble buying it.

According to my calculation the speed of sound at FL500 would be

Speed of sound 761 mph X Speed of Sound Ratio at 50K on a standard day.. So 761 X 0.8671 = 659.86 mph

659.86 mph/1.15 = 573 knots...

K... thats not 275 knots... Am I missing something? Whats the deal? Anybody got any sources?

SaltyDog 11-27-2007 10:11 AM

Think IAS <g>, IAS is low at high altitudes but the TAS is highhhhhh.

timnunes 11-27-2007 01:39 PM

Speed of sound has nothing to do with altitude. Only temperature changes it. Of course, as you go up it gets colder. If I had an E6B around I would calculate what it would be, but I don't. FL500 would be tough, that's usually above the tropopause I think, so I don't know what ISA would be.

jungle 11-27-2007 02:24 PM

Yes, it is over Mach 1 at that altitude. Virtual E6B:http://www.luizmonteiro.com/Altimetry.htm

The human body in free fall can exceed Mach 1 from very high altitudes as was proven in balloon jumps from 100,000 feet. Joe Kittinger:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BOK1aMIhp4

tomgoodman 11-27-2007 03:40 PM

Lousiest glide ratio ever?
 
MGen Bob Rushworth used to tell about the time he had an uncommanded landing gear extension in the X-15 at Mach 3. The airplane had heated up and stretched, but the gear unlock cable did not stretch, so it was pulled. His glide was a lot shorter than planned, with a hideous rate of descent, but he made a successful landing on an alternate lakebed. :eek:

1Seat 1Engine 11-27-2007 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by skycowboy (Post 269577)
I have read in a couple of different places that the F-104 Starfighters best glide with T/O flaps up is 275kts... And they went on to say that above FL500, this is supersonic..

Ok is that true? I am having a bit of trouble buying it.

According to my calculation the speed of sound at FL500 would be

Speed of sound 761 mph X Speed of Sound Ratio at 50K on a standard day.. So 761 X 0.8671 = 659.86 mph

659.86 mph/1.15 = 573 knots...

K... thats not 275 knots... Am I missing something? Whats the deal? Anybody got any sources?

You need to convert TAS to IAS. I also think that the speed of sound at 50k is less than 573 true, but I'm just going on feel here. Don't ask me to do the math.

MAGNUM!! 11-30-2007 01:44 PM

I was at 50K last night and over the Mach at 300 KCAS. In MIL power. And accelerating. Bragging....

Ftrooppilot 11-30-2007 05:53 PM

I'll let the U-2 guys state their's but if I remember correctly (40 years ago) , at 70,000 in the RB-57F our IAS was about 115 Kts.


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