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Fighter Jocks and Old School Aviation Buffs give me a hand...
I have read in a couple of different places that the F-104 Starfighters best glide with T/O flaps up is 275kts... And they went on to say that above FL500, this is supersonic..
Ok is that true? I am having a bit of trouble buying it. According to my calculation the speed of sound at FL500 would be Speed of sound 761 mph X Speed of Sound Ratio at 50K on a standard day.. So 761 X 0.8671 = 659.86 mph 659.86 mph/1.15 = 573 knots... K... thats not 275 knots... Am I missing something? Whats the deal? Anybody got any sources? |
Think IAS <g>, IAS is low at high altitudes but the TAS is highhhhhh.
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Speed of sound has nothing to do with altitude. Only temperature changes it. Of course, as you go up it gets colder. If I had an E6B around I would calculate what it would be, but I don't. FL500 would be tough, that's usually above the tropopause I think, so I don't know what ISA would be.
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Yes, it is over Mach 1 at that altitude. Virtual E6B:http://www.luizmonteiro.com/Altimetry.htm
The human body in free fall can exceed Mach 1 from very high altitudes as was proven in balloon jumps from 100,000 feet. Joe Kittinger:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BOK1aMIhp4 |
Lousiest glide ratio ever?
MGen Bob Rushworth used to tell about the time he had an uncommanded landing gear extension in the X-15 at Mach 3. The airplane had heated up and stretched, but the gear unlock cable did not stretch, so it was pulled. His glide was a lot shorter than planned, with a hideous rate of descent, but he made a successful landing on an alternate lakebed. :eek:
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Originally Posted by skycowboy
(Post 269577)
I have read in a couple of different places that the F-104 Starfighters best glide with T/O flaps up is 275kts... And they went on to say that above FL500, this is supersonic..
Ok is that true? I am having a bit of trouble buying it. According to my calculation the speed of sound at FL500 would be Speed of sound 761 mph X Speed of Sound Ratio at 50K on a standard day.. So 761 X 0.8671 = 659.86 mph 659.86 mph/1.15 = 573 knots... K... thats not 275 knots... Am I missing something? Whats the deal? Anybody got any sources? |
I was at 50K last night and over the Mach at 300 KCAS. In MIL power. And accelerating. Bragging....
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I'll let the U-2 guys state their's but if I remember correctly (40 years ago) , at 70,000 in the RB-57F our IAS was about 115 Kts.
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