Google "Barany Chair"...there's lots out there written on it.

Check this out:

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/web_v...060820127.html

There is a little fluff on the affects of G's, but overall, it's just fun to guess which guy you'd be. I'm not too proud to guess I might be a puker the first time I got spun up to 6G. :)

This thread compels me to share the following <g>, I was instructing a Marine in TA-4's and we were on a standard student defensive 1v1 bfm hop. I would always look at the studs head after I had the tally ho to ensure the kid kept his head on the bandit since it was a common error for them to lose sight or look away from the bandit after the intital turn. Since the setup requires the bandit IP to intentionally overshoot to teach the counter turn to a flats or roller, it gives the IP a moment to look away from the bandit and watch the stud keep there eyes on the bandit. You can feel the correct g's the stud puts on for the initial defensive turn.
On the first set, the stud has a speed, angels,tally with the bandit, I have a tally, so I turn my head to watch the stud as the bandit calls in, stud does a great nose low turn with his eyes on the bandit. So now is where I turn my head back to the bandit to judge the overshoot response when suddenly the airplane starts arcing (relaxing the g), and badly. wT*? Call KIO, (knock it off) and ask the stud Wassup? He mumbles something I don't understand. Oh well, Turn in the MOA and set up again. Don't arc is all I said.
Repeat set up as earlier. As he is arcing this second time, I am surprised because he has a reputation as a good stick. Bandit IP calls the KIO in frustration, and we set up the third set. I asked again wT*? Why are you relaxing the 'g' in the turn?? He mumbles something. Oh well. My third hop for the day, I'll just watch his helmet a little longer on this setup to see if they clues me into why he suddenly starts arcing in the turn into the bandit. After the tally, the stud does another great initial turn on the bandit. Good, on track, now I normally turn my head to look at the bandit here, but I watch his helmet just a bit longer... He hits the bayonet fitting on his mask while in this 5 g turn, and pulls a sick sack and starts hurling while still trying to fight the bandit. Naturally, as he pukes, he lets off the pull. Ahhh, now I know why he is arcing!! Puking in a nose low high 'g' turn. Yep, that will cause you to arc a bit <g>. I call the KIO. Take the plane, ask him if he's OK. He says after a few moments of fumbling with the contents he produced that he is ready to fly! No kidding, said lets go home, but he wanted to continue the flight <g> It is a testament to his warrior heart to want to continue to fight while puking at 5-6 g! It still cracks me up, turned out the flt surgeon just gave him a med up after a cold, he still had some congestion in the head.

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Passive sickness is fairly common, I had it during the first batch of contact rides in texans. I am grateful I went thru T-6s and not 37s, or I am fairly certain that I would have had active airsickness in a sortie. The T-6 A/C works as advertised, the Tweet, well it's a Cessna and those of us prior civi types know the Cessna experience lol.

At any rate, I hadn't been passive airsick since steep turns during my PPL training and my CFI checkride. This tells you being dehydrated (4 hr checkride) and being new to airplane motion (PPL training) will cause you to have airsickness. The problem is accentuated by the fact that UPT is an accelerated program and your diet during the day at UPT is sub-par at best (no time to sit back and enjoy a decent meal). Assuming you are not one of the types that will absolutely have a hard time and will need time off-base to fix it, and rather have an average predisposition to airsickness: drink a ton of water, keep yourself as cool as possible in the plane, pace yourself in the flight (it comes with time) and lastly...take GINGER PILLS before the flight. Man that was my little secret in contact and brother they worked like a champ! I went from having to fight passive airsickness (you know when you are when the sweating floodgates open, you start salivating like crazy, [salivating induces vomiting]) at the end of the sorties, to flying solid the whole sortie. There was a little placebo effect, knowing beforehand the pills had worked phsycologically helped me get through the inner ear acclimating sorties that is contact phase. Later on, the pills were not as necessary. Good luck and drink lots of water!

Me too. I puked my guts out my 1st 6 T-37 flights (and I joined the AF with my commercial, instrument, single-engine ticket). Went through acclimation program via medication via the flight doc, had me sit with a shrink to check to see if it was mental, finally, "the chair" for 2 days (most miserable experience of my life), never puked again, went on to the T-38 and the F-16. I had 2 dudes in my UPT class wash-out for airsickness. I was of the mentality that I would rather die than get eliminated due to motion sickness, the other dudes weren't so motivated and I think they really didn't want to be there anyway, so the sickness problem gave them a good reason to quit UPT.

Bottom line, if you get airsick, they can cure you.

When I was an ROTC cadet I got a back seat ride in an F-4. Got so sick I thought I was going to die. Practically had to be helped out of the cockpit. Made me real nervous about going to pilot training. Spent a few weeks of pilot training fighting passive airsickness, but managed to get over it without the chair. I think it was a combination of nerves and wearing all the gear that you're not used to...and that kerosene smell that the T-37 always had. I still remember how great if felt the first time I flew without feeling sick.

Similar to NWA, I got 2 Viper rides as a cadet and got sick on both. I didn't figure I would since I was a big, bad Soaring IP at the time.

From what I've seen teaching T-37's for the past couple years, most airsickness disappears on its own, some cases require the "chair" as previously mentioned, and for a few percent of the chair riders, they never get over it. It's more of a mental / nerves problem than a physiological problem from what I've seen.

I was reading this thread until I got to the bit about The Chair and thought I was going to be sick just reading it. Not ashamed to say that I have very little control over my overly developed barf reflex. I still recall the day my instructor first demonstrated the stall in our little C-172. I was not amused. So all that talk about getting a ride in the F-18 with my friend is just that - all talk. I doubt I will survive such a ride with my pride intact. Better not give up my day job. :)

I would have to agree with the other posters, most of the JSUPT/JPPT AF airsickness is somewhat self induced by the stress of trying to impress IPs, the alien face mask O2 gear, the brain bucket and the parachute/harness.

It seems from casual observations over the years, most people get over the airsickness. The airsick programs at the bases do have some differences and this seems to be flight doc dependent, life skills dependent, and aerospace physiology dependent. Some docs go for meds and the chair right away, some wait until the second or third event, which means there were two more sorties the student flew without learning due to being sick. Some bases use Lifeskills/Mental Health and they use biofeedback machines to actually give you realtime feedback for all those breathing stress control techniques they toss out as well as the dietary advice.

The T-6 does have better a/c than the T-37 but to me, it seems the torque and p-factor produces more of a Mad Hatter Teacup ride in the first few rides and seems to induce a bit more airsickness until students get the hang of using the rudder to not fly sideways or whip back and forth especially on touch and goes or go arounds. Horsepower per pound the airplane has more get up and go than a fully loaded P-51D did in WWII loaded up with a full load of .50 cal, and two 108 gal drop tanks for an escort mission to the heart of the Reich and back to merry old England.

A very small percentage of people are not cut out for this type of flying. A guy in my class at CBM washed back into our class in T-37s. This was before the form check was part of the syllabus and he came to us with nothing but Instrument sorties remaining. So for the last 6 weeks, he only flew Instrument sorties and pulled no Gs. Evidently, he had quite a few issues in early contact until he acclimated. But he lost his stomach acclimation during the long DNIF/I ride vacation from Gs. He puked his way out of 38s in the first four rides after we crossed the hall as a class. A few years ago as an IP, we had a guy who could fly the heck out of the Tweet, but he had big issues in IFT and in the Tweet. He could puke and not have to give up the jet, it was trimmed so well and when it was over it was right back to business. He got over it enough to solo, then had a DNIF and a couple of post solo recurrences while he reacclimated. We kinda talked him into going T-1 or T-44 just because we feared he would have washed out like the guy in my UPT class. This especially since the current 38 program has you out of flying longer than the old days with academics and the centrifuge requirement. Lastly, the worst one I have ever seen was in the T6. Thank goodness he was in front and not beside me. I am very smell sensitive and with 100% and by not looking in their direction I was able to detach in the Tweet. But when we shut down the T-6 and until he got the canopy open, I was miserable. I actually had to put the mask back on during the taxi in, because I could smell it from the back. He looked like death warmed over on his dollar ride, and we never went over 30 degrees of bank or two Gs. It was past 1630 and the doc was already at home and wanted to see him the next day. I told the doc it was the worst event I had seen in 7 years of doing this. The doc came back to base, saw the kid. The next two weren't much better. Poor guy eventually washed out.