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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh

I'll grant you "free is relative". However since a type rating costs upwards of $7K (and as high as $35K), it's probably worth the travel expenses. Most military crewmembers will need to make the trip to a FSDO anyway to convert military competancy to FAA certificates. Why not knock out two birds with one stone?

I converted my military competancy to Commercial Instrument shortly after I completed Undergraduate Pilot Training, long before I gained the qualifications for the Type Ratings. Like I said, if you're at the FSDO anyway, knock it out. If you're not, it's probably not worth the hassle.

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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh

FARs 61.63 (for commercial pilots) and 61.157(g) (for ATPs) covers the particular requirements that dictate whether or not a 15% ride in an actual aircraft is required. Level C and D simulators require 15% rides if certain experience requirments haven't been met. (There is a long list of requirements that can be met in both the regs)

I relooked over the reg, and since presumably Herc130AV8R, has a military designation to act as pilot in command any future type rides are probably exempt.

As for you, you were probably exempt due to flight time experience or some other reason.

61.157 is quite lengthy and detailed - - thanks for not posting it here. :)

I believe this is a relevant excerpt:

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(g) Use of a flight simulator or flight training device for an airplane rating. If a flight simulator or flight training device is used for accomplishing all of the training and the required practical test for an airplane transport pilot certificate with an airplane category, class, and type rating, if applicable, the applicant, flight simulator, and flight training device are subject to the following requirements:

(3) All training and testing (except preflight inspection) must be accomplished by the applicant to receive an airplane class rating and type rating, if applicable, without limitations and--

(ii) The applicant must meet the aeronautical experience requirements of Sec. 61.159 of this part and at least one of the following--

(A) Hold a type rating for a turbojet airplane of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought, or have been designated by a military service as a pilot in command of an airplane of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought, if a turbojet type rating is sought;
(B) Hold a type rating for a turbopropeller airplane of the same class as the airplane for which the type rating is sought, or have been appointed by a military service as a pilot in command of an airplane of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought, if a turbopropeller airplane type rating is sought;

Wherever the type rating is mentioned, the "have been appointed by a military service as a pilot in command..." option exists as an alternative. The same appears to hold true for 61.63.

By the way, I couldn't find "15%" in either paragraph you cited.

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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh

As a side note, it is probably worth getting the type rating if it's not a big trouble or hassle simply because if Herc130AV8R can't get a job flying for an airline right away, there are numerous overseas contract jobs flying or instructing in the C130 that are available to former servicemembers. (These are often flying/instructing for foreign allied nations that have purchased equipment from the US). Many of these contracts are quite lucrative financially, and often require type ratings and US certificates (as well as often requiring current qualifications).

~J

That's certainly worth considering.

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[QUOTE=TonyC]

By the way, I couldn't find "15%" in either paragraph you cited.[QUOTE]

I guess that the terminology "15% ride" is more of an airline industry thing... odds are if you never worked for a regional or a part 142 training center, you probably never heard it. It is slang for the required in aircraft portion of a checkride if you either don't meet the required simulator certifications (IE not a level C/D sim), or the requirements of 61.63 or 61.157.

A "15% ride" consists of the following items (the name is derived because it's roughly 15% of a normal checkride). They are completed in the actual aircraft:

(A) Preflight inspection;

(B) Normal takeoff;

(C) Normal ILS approach;

(D) Missed approach; and

(E) Normal landing.

[QUOTE=FlyerJosh]

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Originally Posted by TonyC

By the way, I couldn't find "15%" in either paragraph you cited.QUOTE]

I guess that the terminology "15% ride" is more of an airline industry thing... odds are if you never worked for a regional or a part 142 training center, you probably never heard it. It is slang for the required in aircraft portion of a checkride if you either don't meet the required simulator certifications (IE not a level C/D sim), or the requirements of 61.63 or 61.157.

A "15% ride" consists of the following items (the name is derived because it's roughly 15% of a normal checkride). They are completed in the actual aircraft:

(A) Preflight inspection;

(B) Normal takeoff;

(C) Normal ILS approach;

(D) Missed approach; and

(E) Normal landing.

I know SKW also does stalls and airwork in a REAL airplane...that's pretty unusual.

It doesn't hurt to have a type. It's pretty easy to get the L-382 rating. Just bring your initial C-130 form 8 and your last Instrument form 8 and your ATP certificate to a FSDO. These days you need an appointment so call ahead.

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Originally Posted by Herc130AV8R

Anybody know if a type rating in the C-130 would be of any value when applying for an airline job?? Would that help me when trying to get a type in another aircraft?? Thanks for any replies

Definitely, I got hired at FedEx with a C-130 type rating out of the Marines. Plus, if your unit will let you get a FAA examiner to give it to you on a check ride. There are guys out there who are qualified to do it. It will save you a ton of money and you are flying an aircraft you are familiar with.

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Originally Posted by Herc130AV8R (Post 17869)

Anybody know if a type rating in the C-130 would be of any value when applying for an airline job?? Would that help me when trying to get a type in another aircraft?? Thanks for any replies

It was so easy to take some 781s , a FM 8 and my ARMS products to a FSDO for a "free" type rating. Definitely do it. It can only enhance your credentials.

Some more food for thought. If you have not gotten your ATP yet, the type rating will give you an ATP as well with little extra training required. You just need to show up with the ATP written. Kill 2 birds with one stone and cover all of your bases.

I realize that you are talking C-130 type ratings, but if you pony-up for the 737 type and are a fighter guy, you get some exposure to the simulator and the crew coordination. Good stuff if you interview with an airline that also requires a simulator evaluation...

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 17881)

Any type is better than no type. Unless you have a 737 type with no operational experience and are applying somwhere OTHER than SWA...that would be hard to explain.

They didn't seem to care at the UPS interview...fwiw.

I got my commercial just out of UPT....based on competency and had to pass a written test. My L-382 type all I had to do was submit a copy of my Aircraft Commander Basic airland Checkride form which includes an Instrument Check and they put it on my ticket. The key is it had to be for AC upgrade. Your initial co-pilot check wont do it.

All new MPD trained pilots that have their qual. and inst. check in the the left seat can get the type. I know, I went to my FSDO 2 weeks ago. He just needs a copy of your Form 8 showing your "inst. check" and your "landing qual." checks.

Took all of 20 mins. to fill out the papers and get a temporary ticket.