Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Career Builder > Military
USAF voluntary officer recall (including retirees) >

USAF voluntary officer recall (including retirees)

Notices
Military Military Aviation

USAF voluntary officer recall (including retirees)

Old 08-03-2010, 04:35 PM
  #951  
On Reserve
 
Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 19
Default

Probably no one around still reading this forum topic, but for what it is worth, did anyone see the AOL News article by Sharon Weinberger, titled US Facing Lack of Pilots, Not Planes, in Afghanistan?

Basically, the topic of the article is the US Air Force is out of skilled pilots and qualified volunteers for the MC-12 program. It hasn't even been 10 months since the AF offered me only a staff position. The article goes on to say, pilots after 6 months return to their original assignment and the MC-12 squadron then loses not only the pilots but also their experience.

I wish the AF continued success in their manning of combat aircraft with these policies.

Larry
LKampa is offline  
Old 08-03-2010, 05:56 PM
  #952  
Gets Weekends Off
 
TBoneF15's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 248
Default

Well here's the problem. There is no non-deployed base yet for the MC-12. So unless you are going to permanently deploy some poor bastard, you have to bring him home at some point and that means not flying the MC-12 anymore. They could change it to a remote assignment (year long) versus the current TDY (6 months), but they've chosen not to do that for whatever reason. That paradigm may change in the near future. As aircraft production continues, there is serious talk of finally being able to base MC-12s at a CONUS location, likely Beale if you believe press reports. That will help maintain specific MC-12 experience within that community as they would then have airplanes to fly when they came home. As for "the Air Force is out of skilled pilots and qualified volunteers..." that just ain't so. Not everyone who goes to fly the MC-12 may be a volunteer, but to say the AF doesn't have enough "skilled" or "qualified" pilots to fly it is a gross misstatement/misinterpretation of facts.

I know you wanted to fly, but believe it or not the AF isn't really that short on pilots in cockpits, especially operational ones. Those are mostly reasonably manned. I'm sure someone will come on here with a story about the low manning in their specific squadron and I'm sure there are many exceptions, but I'm talking about the big picture. Where the AF is wicked short is on pilots in non-flying billets that require a pilot (staff jobs, AOCs, etc). That's what makes the overall pilot manning low. It's tough to pull current, qualified pilots out of cockpits to put them on the staff when they could just try to get recall guys to go straight to the staff. Yeah, as in your case, they probably missed out on a few bodies who elected not to return after all when they saw the offer, but in the end they got all of the bodies they could accept anyway. The budget is unfortunately finite, regardless of actual needs.
TBoneF15 is offline  
Old 08-03-2010, 09:23 PM
  #953  
On Reserve
 
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: A320 F/O
Posts: 16
Default MC-12 and Reserve Retired Recall

Speaking of the MC-12, anyone know if a signed Statement of Intent becomes a contract that would protect a recallee from being involuntarily assigned an MC-12 TDY. In other words, I signed a SOI for a specific base and airplane, if the Air Force tries to send me to MC-12 training/TDY do I have an out by citing my SOI? Could be an issue sooner than I thought...
UALBusDrvr is offline  
Old 08-04-2010, 03:56 AM
  #954  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Petting Zoo
Posts: 2,068
Default

I have no real knowledge...but let me offer my insight anyway. Does your SOI prevent you from deploying? Not talking remote/365, I mean deploying period? I didn't think that's the way it worked. At any rate, if you don't have any such protection I can see no reason they couldn't deploy you in the MC12, it's "only" a 179--as are the majority of AEFs these days.
Sputnik is offline  
Old 08-04-2010, 04:15 AM
  #955  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Petting Zoo
Posts: 2,068
Default

What's the word on the recalled folks at the SERB? Eligible or not?

Seems bad to bring folks back in off retirement only to turn around and retire them again a year later. On the other hand, seems bad to bring folks in off retirement, then force folks who stayed [and want to continue] and forcefully retire them.

What's the news?
Sputnik is offline  
Old 08-04-2010, 06:21 AM
  #956  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Chris99's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: B717 CA
Posts: 447
Default

Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
What's the word on the recalled folks at the SERB? Eligible or not?

Seems bad to bring folks back in off retirement only to turn around and retire them again a year later. On the other hand, seems bad to bring folks in off retirement, then force folks who stayed [and want to continue] and forcefully retire them.

What's the news?
Recallees aren't SERB eligible. I attended one of the SERB/force reduction briefings because I was curious about the same question.
Chris99 is offline  
Old 08-04-2010, 08:27 AM
  #957  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 25
Default

"I have no real knowledge...but let me offer my insight anyway. Does your SOI prevent you from deploying? Not talking remote/365, I mean deploying period? I didn't think that's the way it worked. At any rate, if you don't have any such protection I can see no reason they couldn't deploy you in the MC12, it's "only" a 179--as are the majority of AEFs these days."

179 day TDYS are already scheduled for the retired rated recall guys I work with at Ramstein
ip241au is offline  
Old 08-04-2010, 08:48 AM
  #958  
Gets Weekends Off
 
FliFast's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: I was acquired, Not Hired
Posts: 1,784
Default

Will they hire civilians that are furloughed from the airlines ?

15000 TT
3600 PIC
13500 M/E
9800 Jet
5 type ratings
PIC two different airlines
Former Check Airman
Curent 121 qualified

TIA
FliFast is offline  
Old 08-04-2010, 07:21 PM
  #959  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Chris99's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: B717 CA
Posts: 447
Default

Originally Posted by UALBusDrvr View Post
Speaking of the MC-12, anyone know if a signed Statement of Intent becomes a contract that would protect a recallee from being involuntarily assigned an MC-12 TDY. In other words, I signed a SOI for a specific base and airplane, if the Air Force tries to send me to MC-12 training/TDY do I have an out by citing my SOI? Could be an issue sooner than I thought...
The only thing the SOI protects us from is getting 365-day deployments. We are "volunteers" for any other deployments (typically 120- or 179-days).

Originally Posted by FliFast View Post
Will they hire civilians that are furloughed from the airlines ?

TIA
This thread concerns a recall of rated personnel who have already been employed by the Air Force in the past. If you want to join the military, you will have to do it by a traditional means and meet all the standard requirements. Look through some of the other threads in this section for some good information.
Chris99 is offline  
Old 08-04-2010, 09:17 PM
  #960  
Gets Weekends Off
 
L'il J.Seinfeld's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Brown
Posts: 1,126
Default

Originally Posted by FliFast View Post
Will they hire civilians that are furloughed from the airlines ?

15000 TT
3600 PIC
13500 M/E
9800 Jet
5 type ratings
PIC two different airlines
Former Check Airman
Curent 121 qualified

TIA
Apples and oranges, apples and oranges. How many hours of your 15,000 were on NVGs, or wearing a helmet, were solo, or were with all lights and emitters off at night with bad guys shooting?

Obviously you are a highly qualified pilot and I bet you find something 121 or 135.
L'il J.Seinfeld is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Chris99
Military
88
12-19-2008 12:35 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices