Leave earned after AT/ADT 30 days
08-03-2009, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 130drvr
In the AF we have AFI 36-2619:
8.4. Man-day tours longer than 30 consecutive days will accrue leave of 2.5 days per month. Compute tour lengths by rounding off to the nearest whole number for tours that do not end exactly on a number divisible into whole months. Tours should not be approved for less than three days when travel is outside the commuting distance of the ARC member.
8.5. Accrued leaves must be taken during the man-day tour and are included in the tour length. ARC members may request leave from their active duty supervisor through their assigned payroll office.
8.5.1. If unusual circumstances preclude taking accrued leave, the ARC member is entitled to be paid for the leave up to a career maximum of 60 days.
I am on orders right now and have taken leave with no problem.
8.4. Man-day tours longer than 30 consecutive days will accrue leave of 2.5 days per month. Compute tour lengths by rounding off to the nearest whole number for tours that do not end exactly on a number divisible into whole months. Tours should not be approved for less than three days when travel is outside the commuting distance of the ARC member.
8.5. Accrued leaves must be taken during the man-day tour and are included in the tour length. ARC members may request leave from their active duty supervisor through their assigned payroll office.
8.5.1. If unusual circumstances preclude taking accrued leave, the ARC member is entitled to be paid for the leave up to a career maximum of 60 days.
I am on orders right now and have taken leave with no problem.
08-03-2009, 01:20 PM
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Try BUPERSINST 1001.39F, http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres...D/0/100139.pdf
Looks like you don't accrue on AT, but you do on ADT/ADSW, greater than 29 days. It cites the Financial Mgt Reg as guidance so that should help in your search. I couldn't find a statement on when you take the leave, you are entitled to it in the above cases.
Looks like you don't accrue on AT, but you do on ADT/ADSW, greater than 29 days. It cites the Financial Mgt Reg as guidance so that should help in your search. I couldn't find a statement on when you take the leave, you are entitled to it in the above cases.
08-08-2009, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by S3toHerk
I need to find the Navy Reserve's version of this instruction. I would think all the forces would have the same rules.
"A member of a Reserve component who serves on active duty with pay for
periods of 30 consecutive days or more, accrues leave at the rate of 2-1/2 calendar days for each month of active service, excluding periods of:
A. Absence from duty without leave.
B. Absence over leave.
C. Confinement as a result of a courtmartial.
The member is entitled to lump-sum settlement of unused accrued leave upon completion of a tour per table 56-2. When consecutive tours are
involved, a member maybe reimbursed for unused accrued leave or it may be carried forward, at the member’s option, until completion of the final tour.
When computing the length of a period of active duty, include allowable travel time. See also paragraphs 350101 and 350102, and procedural
instructions of the Services concerned; refer to tables 35-1 through 35-4 for specific entitlement criteria."
For Navy: Factually, AT is funded at the yearly AT rate of 12 days minimum with a maximum well under the 30 days. Most folks don't realize that AT is funded to the billet. That is critical to funding management budget planning. Even if you put in AT for 30+ days in NROWS (Navy order writing system for everyone else), typically, the money is actually coming from another pot, usually ADT (which is funded to the entire unit, not a particular billet like the AT) and we usually change your NROW input to reflect ADT vice AT. Invisible to most of us (until you are a skipper and have to manage these pots of funding). So you will get leave paid as per the DOD instruction and avoid the Navy process of being forbidden to collect leave benefits for AT orders. In my experience, we let the Sailor head home at the end of the 30 days for orders written for 33. In other cases for over 30, we let them take leave in the middle of the orders, etc if they desired. As an aside, I have had AT funding left over from unfilled billets in the unit and was allowed to fund additional AT for same unit requirements, but it was for only a few days at a time, never close to 30.
Table 56-2 is the 'Entitlement to Pay and Allowances For Various Periods of Active Duty'
10-03-2009, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by S3toHerk
Most of our guys would like to get the two days of leave, so they get the 2 point and the allowances, but we are told that they don't write reserve orders to take leave. I.E., when you are done with your work, go home. You aren't getting paid for time off.
I guess I am fishing to find out why and can prove they can't deny the leave.
I guess I am fishing to find out why and can prove they can't deny the leave.
This example may help explain a little better:
You are initially given a 90-day tour. During that time you earn 7.5 days. Your unit appears to be generous and amends your order for an additional 90 days. After a month, they see the error of their ways and amend the order again.
At this point, they cut the order short to include the duty you performed PLUS accrued leave, and you can take all your accrued leave, get the points, and the additional pay entitlements.
Now, if they weren't nice to begin with, and there was no amendment, you would have had to take the leave within the confines of the original order, or have it paid out at the end. The financial management regs prohibit extending an order to accommodate leave.
If you are subsequently put on another order paid from a similar pot of money, you can carry it over. Usually however, if you are on a subsequent back-to-back order, paid from two different pots of money, you may be required to zero out your leave balance. IE, going from an Air Mobility Command(AMC) funded order to an AF Reserve Command funded order. In this case, AFRC is not going to pay for the leave you accrued working for AMC, or vice-versa.
Clear as mud?
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