Military Retirement in the News Again
07-27-2011, 05:07 PM
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Military Retirement in the News Again
http://militaryadvantage.military.co...verhaul-plans/
http://dbb.defense.gov/pdf/DBB_Milit...ntationpdf.pdf
Here's the brief given to SECDEF on how to save money. W/ the Aug 2nd deadline looming, I'd venture a guess that nothing is sacred. Congress should overhaul their system too...
http://dbb.defense.gov/pdf/DBB_Milit...ntationpdf.pdf
Here's the brief given to SECDEF on how to save money. W/ the Aug 2nd deadline looming, I'd venture a guess that nothing is sacred. Congress should overhaul their system too...
07-27-2011, 06:56 PM
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The AF thinks it's going to be about 1,000 Fighter pilots short over the next few years. If this passes, I foresee that number increasing significantly...along with the rest of the AF/Military!
Who in their right mind would subject themselves and more importantly their family to 20 years of the active duty BS, for this new plan?!?!
Who in their right mind would subject themselves and more importantly their family to 20 years of the active duty BS, for this new plan?!?!
07-27-2011, 07:38 PM
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You said it...
Originally Posted by Elvis90
I hope DoD is prepared for the unintended consequences, and third & fourth order effects of this policy if implemented.
"Unlike past changes to the military retirement plan, which shielded current servicemembers from the changes, the plan presented by the Defense Business Board would not grandfather current servicemembers."
Especially with airline hiring about to ramp up, if they enact something like this, there will be a stampede out the door like nothing they've ever seen. Everyone's gone a lot, the pay isn't that great and now you're going to pull the rug out from under current members? Nice.
The way the briefing is written, it seems the board members might not have any military experience. They complain about people who leave the service prior to 20 years not being vested. The way I understood it, the military services WANTED people to leave well before retirment, thus saving long-term $$$. They get the most productive years out of people and then cut them loose without any further costs.
The one line of argument that really chapped my butt was the insinuation that retirees are soaking the public by drawing a "lifetime" of retirement pay for "only" 20 years of service, and how the payout is so much more generous than the private sector. 20 years of military service is more than enough to justify a retirement check, especially when the last 10-plus years have been at war, 20-plus if you want to go all the way back to Desert Shield/Storm. Trying to compare the 20 years of a service member's life to ANYONE else's just doesn't cut it. Nobody has seen the things they have seen, been separated from family/friends/home like they have or had to bear the burdens they have.
07-27-2011, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
The AF thinks it's going to be about 1,000 Fighter pilots short over the next few years. If this passes, I foresee that number increasing significantly...along with the rest of the AF/Military!
Who in their right mind would subject themselves and more importantly their family to 20 years of the active duty BS, for this new plan?!?!
Who in their right mind would subject themselves and more importantly their family to 20 years of the active duty BS, for this new plan?!?!
07-27-2011, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
The AF thinks it's going to be about 1,000 Fighter pilots short over the next few years. If this passes, I foresee that number increasing significantly...along with the rest of the AF/Military!
Who in their right mind would subject themselves and more importantly their family to 20 years of the active duty BS, for this new plan?!?!
Who in their right mind would subject themselves and more importantly their family to 20 years of the active duty BS, for this new plan?!?!
Not saying it's right if they are. I am saying, if this is the desired end-state and the vision for DoD, "they" should just say so upfront instead of screaming fire in a crowded theater.
07-27-2011, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Faixa Azul
Maybe that's the goal. These people are a lot of things, but they aren't stupid. Maybe they're hoping we get a mass push the Guard/Reserve, reduce our standing forces by an order of magnitude, and then have a large reserve force they can mobilize when they see fit without the long-term costs of an active retirement.
07-27-2011, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
No kidding. This is the kicker,
"Unlike past changes to the mil*i*tary retire*ment plan, which shielded cur*rent ser*vice*mem*bers from the changes, the plan pre*sented by the Defense Busi*ness Board would not grand*fa*ther cur*rent ser*vice*mem*bers."
Especially with airline hiring about to ramp up, if they enact something like this, there will be a stampede out the door like nothing they've ever seen. Everyone's gone a lot, the pay isn't that great and now you're going to pull the rug out from under current members? Nice.
The way the briefing is written, it seems the board members might not have any military experience. They complain about people who leave the service prior to 20 years not being vested. The way I understood it, the military services WANTED people to leave well before retirment, thus saving long-term $$$. They get the most productive years out of people and then cut them loose without any further costs.
The one line of argument that really chapped my butt was the insinuation that retirees are soaking the public by drawing a "lifetime" of retirement pay for "only" 20 years of service, and how the payout is so much more generous than the private sector. 20 years of military service is more than enough to justify a retirement check, especially when the last 10-plus years have been at war, 20-plus if you want to go all the way back to Desert Shield/Storm. Trying to compare the 20 years of a service member's life to ANYONE else's just doesn't cut it. Nobody has seen the things they have seen, been separated from family/friends/home like they have or had to bear the burdens they have.
"Unlike past changes to the mil*i*tary retire*ment plan, which shielded cur*rent ser*vice*mem*bers from the changes, the plan pre*sented by the Defense Busi*ness Board would not grand*fa*ther cur*rent ser*vice*mem*bers."
Especially with airline hiring about to ramp up, if they enact something like this, there will be a stampede out the door like nothing they've ever seen. Everyone's gone a lot, the pay isn't that great and now you're going to pull the rug out from under current members? Nice.
The way the briefing is written, it seems the board members might not have any military experience. They complain about people who leave the service prior to 20 years not being vested. The way I understood it, the military services WANTED people to leave well before retirment, thus saving long-term $$$. They get the most productive years out of people and then cut them loose without any further costs.
The one line of argument that really chapped my butt was the insinuation that retirees are soaking the public by drawing a "lifetime" of retirement pay for "only" 20 years of service, and how the payout is so much more generous than the private sector. 20 years of military service is more than enough to justify a retirement check, especially when the last 10-plus years have been at war, 20-plus if you want to go all the way back to Desert Shield/Storm. Trying to compare the 20 years of a service member's life to ANYONE else's just doesn't cut it. Nobody has seen the things they have seen, been separated from family/friends/home like they have or had to bear the burdens they have.
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