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Originally Posted by FNG69 (Post 2044705)

Can anyone explain why they wouldn't be able to remove the restriction?

As PI says, if their FAA approved training program doesn't include a Vmc demo, you'll still have the restriction.

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Also, is there a reason I wouldn't be able to fly with them with the multi-engine ATP and type rating that I'll receive during training even with the restriction on my commercial? Thanks.

They won't be able to issue you an ATP or type if you don't meet the requirements of their training program.

FWIW, ExpressJet just recently had their training program amended (and approved by the FAA, of course) to include the Vmc demo in order to train pilots with the centerline thrust restriction.

Yes Vmc demo is the issue. That's not traditionally been included in 121 training programs.

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Originally Posted by Hacker15e (Post 2045034)

FWIW, ExpressJet just recently had their training program amended (and approved by the FAA, of course) to include the Vmc demo in order to train pilots with the centerline thrust restriction.

Desperation knows no bounds. Anything and everything to keep the race to the bottom status quo.

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Originally Posted by hindsight2020 (Post 2045109)

Desperation knows no bounds. Anything and everything to keep the race to the bottom status quo.

Yes, how terrible that they are wanting to recruit military fighter guys who missed the ATP cut-off.

Truly a race to the bottom.

So if my military IP time is in a centerline-thrust aircraft, and I take the MCI test, the FSDO will issue me a CFI for Instrument Airplane?

I know that wouldn't be usable to teach with (would have to upgrade to AMEL or ASEL), but it lets me check the block on my airline applications.

From FSIMS (FAA), previously cited, emphasis added:

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E. Limited-to-Center Thrust Limitation.

1) The military aircraft listed below have no VMC established by the manufacturer. Other military multiengine airplanes may exist now or in the future for which there is no published data on VMC. Military pilots who can only show qualification in those kinds of multiengine airplanes may only be issued a multiengine airplane rating with the limitation “Limited-to-Center Thrust.”

a) T-2B/C Rockwell Buckeye.

b) T-37 Cessna 318.

c) T-38 Northrop Talon.

d) F-4 McDonnell-Douglas Phantom.

e) F-111 General Dynamics F-111.

f) F-18 Northrop-McDonnell-Douglas Hornet.

g) A6-E Grumman American Intruder.

h) A-10 Fairchild Republic Thunderbolt II.

i) F-15 McDonnell-Douglas Eagle.

j) F-14 Grumman F-14.

k) F-117 Lockheed Stealth.

l) F-22 Boeing/McDonnell F-22.

2) The “Limited‑to‑Center Thrust” limitation is not placed on a pilot certificate when the airplane has a VMC published on the airplane’s type certificate data sheet or approved flight manual.

3) If the holder of a pilot certificate with the limitation “Limited‑to‑Center Thrust” can show the limitation was issued in error, the limitation may be removed upon reapplication. A temporary airman certificate is issued without the limitation.

4) Multiengine airplanes may be added or deleted from the above list as necessary. Any questions about other multiengine airplane makes and models that are “Limited‑to‑Center Thrust” should be directed to FAA Headquarters, Certification and General Operations Branch, AFS‑810.

5) An applicant who requests issuance of a multiengine airplane rating in a multiengine airplane not listed in paragraph E1 above may inquire directly to FAA Headquarters, AFS‑810, to determine if any limitations are necessary.

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Originally Posted by Pilot2468 (Post 2095575)

Correct on the first..."it depends" on the second.

AirlineApps does not have the option of only selecting "Instrument Airplane".

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AA, SWA, and FedEx PilotCredentials all have an option to select CFII only, exclusive of CFI-A or MEI.

Thanks Hacker. I'm taking the MCI test tomorrow, but will have to make a long drive to turn in my paperwork at the closest FSDO. Wanted to make sure it wouldn't be a waste of time.