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Deuce130 02-20-2013 05:33 PM

I just started on orders at a MAJCOM/HQ a couple of weeks ago. I'm astounded at the amount of taskers and flowcharts, briefings, telecons, presentations, meetings, VTCs and on and on and on day in and day out. It seems there's a lot of eyes inward, looking at the processes and programs put in place, and not a lot of eyes looking outward. Lots of "make work" that never goes anywhere. At the same time, there's some pretty drastic sequestration COAs being presented. Maybe we should save some airplanes and say goodbye 75% of the MAJCOM staff.

HoursHore 02-20-2013 05:54 PM

I hope they start with the fitness monitors. There's some low hanging fruit. The AFRC could also shed every 0-5 over 22 not in a leadership position and barely blink.

Lobaeux 02-20-2013 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by angry tanker (Post 1355896)
How soon before they say all the sims are high enough quality for all currency requirements, so the only local sorties are for guys leaving for deployment the next day?

Thank god I retired when I did, because you know all that sim time isn't going to mean crap to the airlines.

I can see guys who've been in now for less than five years, getting out at their 10 year point and count themselves lucky to have ATP mins.

crewdawg 02-20-2013 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1356673)
Maybe now wings are finally getting the message that if you don't have to fly out the flying hour program than guess what???? Don't fly out the flying hour program! Who here among us hasn't felt the pressure to get the hours flown just to zero out the hours?!! Even when I confronted my group CC in my final year of service about the need to fly out the hours (I had a memo in hand from the Air Staff stating you're done flying when you say your training is done, circa '08) he replied, "You told me before the FY started you needed XXXX hours to accomplish your training. Therefore, your training is not complete until you fly those hours."

We handed back quite a few hours last year. We still got the same amount this year.


Originally Posted by Deuce130 (Post 1356797)
I just started on orders at a MAJCOM/HQ a couple of weeks ago. I'm astounded at the amount of taskers and flowcharts, briefings, telecons, presentations, meetings, VTCs and on and on and on day in and day out. It seems there's a lot of eyes inward, looking at the processes and programs put in place, and not a lot of eyes looking outward. Lots of "make work" that never goes anywhere. At the same time, there's some pretty drastic sequestration COAs being presented. Maybe we should save some airplanes and say goodbye 75% of the MAJCOM staff.

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Originally Posted by HoursHore (Post 1356810)
I hope they start with the fitness monitors. There's some low hanging fruit. The AFRC could also shed every 0-5 over 22 not in a leadership position and barely blink.

Fitness monitors are very important. See, we like to preach Integrity First, but we don't really believe in it... :rolleyes:

With the budget cuts we are facing, why don't we just shed the whole AFRC? Move the iron/people, fold the jobs into the ANG or AD and cut the redundant positions. Do we really need to have a HQ staff for both? It seems like we could cut quite a few people, with a relatively low strain on the deployment cycle, and save a significant amount of money.

GunshipGuy 02-20-2013 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Deuce130 (Post 1356797)
I just started on orders at a MAJCOM/HQ a couple of weeks ago. I'm astounded at the amount of taskers and flowcharts, briefings, telecons, presentations, meetings, VTCs and on and on and on day in and day out. It seems there's a lot of eyes inward, looking at the processes and programs put in place, and not a lot of eyes looking outward. Lots of "make work" that never goes anywhere. At the same time, there's some pretty drastic sequestration COAs being presented. Maybe we should save some airplanes and say goodbye 75% of the MAJCOM staff.

Been there and concur: work for work sake. Yes, someone thinks it's important, but the majority of it is just continued insanity. Literally (and not figuratively Biden-Literally) millions of man-hours wasted every year.

surfnski 02-20-2013 10:21 PM

Any O-7 or above getting the axe? Methinks no.

106dart 02-21-2013 01:36 AM


Originally Posted by hawgdriver (Post 1356026)
No more flying but taskers for everyone!

Sounds like a normal month.

Yumav8r 02-21-2013 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1356864)
Been there and concur: work for work sake. Yes, someone thinks it's important, but the majority of it is just continued insanity. Literally (and not figuratively Biden-Literally) millions of man-hours wasted every year.

Plus 1000. I just got augmented to a major command from a flying job and I agree %100. My days continuously filled with busy work or no work at all yet I am on per diem. This place could lose several thousand civilians and the warfighters in the field wouldn't notice.

F15andMD11 02-21-2013 07:18 AM


We handed back quite a few hours last year. We still got the same amount this year.
:eek: Well can you send those extra hours to ACC? We're forecasting to me finished with our FHP in Jun. :mad:

grasshopper 02-21-2013 07:23 AM

Get rid of AFRC! Fix broken civil service bureaucracy! Restrain the contracting buffoonery! :) nice thoughts aren't they.


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