Reserve Reduced Retirement Age Rule Change
03-07-2013, 02:08 PM
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Reserve Reduced Retirement Age Rule Change
Anyone notice the rule change DOD implemented with the Jan 2013 revision to DODI 1215.07 that greatly restricts what kinds of active duty service is eligible for reducing your age 60 retirement pay? The old reg was pretty liberal in allowing credit for most active duty service including those recalled to active duty under the Limited Period Recall and Retired Rated Recall programs. I know two guys finishing up their active duty tours (one from each program) who are being told by ARPC that their active duty service does not count towards reducing the age at which they collect retired pay. The old reg (Nov 2008) clearly spelled out that both kinds of tours would be eligible. Anyone else out there being told this and having any luck fighting "the man?"
See links below for both the new and old reg.
www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/121507p.pdf
http://www.calguard.ca.gov/g1/Docume...%201215.07.pdf
See links below for both the new and old reg.
www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/121507p.pdf
http://www.calguard.ca.gov/g1/Docume...%201215.07.pdf
03-07-2013, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by UALBusDrvr
Anyone notice the rule change DOD implemented with the Jan 2013 revision to DODI 1215.07 that greatly restricts what kinds of active duty service is eligible for reducing your age 60 retirement pay? The old reg was pretty liberal in allowing credit for most active duty service including those recalled to active duty under the Limited Period Recall and Retired Rated Recall programs. I know two guys finishing up their active duty tours (one from each program) who are being told by ARPC that their active duty service does not count towards reducing the age at which they collect retired pay. The old reg (Nov 2008) clearly spelled out that both kinds of tours would be eligible. Anyone else out there being told this and having any luck fighting "the man?"
See links below for both the new and old reg.
www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/121507p.pdf
http://www.calguard.ca.gov/g1/Docume...%201215.07.pdf
See links below for both the new and old reg.
www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/121507p.pdf
http://www.calguard.ca.gov/g1/Docume...%201215.07.pdf
03-07-2013, 05:33 PM
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I'm doing some research. A buddy of mine (Guard Retired Recall Guy) and I (Reserve Retired Recall) were discussing today. He is more knowledgeable on the subject. He knows the Title Number it applies to; I'm not sure which mine are. He says he no longer can.
I kind of think the new change affects Guardsmen, but not Reservists.
More when I know for sure.
I kind of think the new change affects Guardsmen, but not Reservists.
More when I know for sure.
03-07-2013, 07:11 PM
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Private business has long ago figured out how to break unions, end pensions, reduce retirement, decrease benefits, pay as little as possible, etc.
The government is just now figuring this out.
The government is just now figuring this out.
03-07-2013, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
I'm doing some research. A buddy of mine (Guard Retired Recall Guy) and I (Reserve Retired Recall) were discussing today. He is more knowledgeable on the subject. He knows the Title Number it applies to; I'm not sure which mine are. He says he no longer can.
I kind of think the new change affects Guardsmen, but not Reservists.
More when I know for sure.
I kind of think the new change affects Guardsmen, but not Reservists.
More when I know for sure.
03-08-2013, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by LowSlowT2
Keep copies of all old regs.
Always.
But especially in the 36-series and any other that affect pay/benefits....
Always.
But especially in the 36-series and any other that affect pay/benefits....
03-08-2013, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by LowSlowT2
Keep copies of all old regs.
Always.
But especially in the 36-series and any other that affect pay/benefits....
Always.
But especially in the 36-series and any other that affect pay/benefits....
There is no automatic grandfathering if/when laws change, although previous changes have usually explicitly grandfathered those already in service (ex REDUX).
If title 10 changes, you're now subject to the revision, and cannot claim that the old version applies to you.
Service policy will not supersede Title 10, best you could do would be to argue their interpretation of Title 10.
03-08-2013, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Good idea. Also, this is a DoD instruction basically for how to credit the points. It can not supercede title 10.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
This may not be a bad idea, but our retirement (or compensation) is not contractually guaranteed. It's basically whatever the government sees fit to extend to us at the time.
There is no automatic grandfathering if/when laws change, although previous changes have usually explicitly grandfathered those already in service (ex REDUX).
If title 10 changes, you're now subject to the revision, and cannot claim that the old version applies to you.
Service policy will not supersede Title 10, best you could do would be to argue their interpretation of Title 10.
There is no automatic grandfathering if/when laws change, although previous changes have usually explicitly grandfathered those already in service (ex REDUX).
If title 10 changes, you're now subject to the revision, and cannot claim that the old version applies to you.
Service policy will not supersede Title 10, best you could do would be to argue their interpretation of Title 10.
Also, keep copies of anything and everything that you sign your name on that even smells like a contract...
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