Why are we doing this to ourselves ?
04-15-2013, 04:44 AM
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Why are we doing this to ourselves ?
OK. I'm an old warrior but still have a burning love for the military. I'm as worried now as I was during the Cuban Crisis when I orbited in a B-52 Loaded with four nucs near the USSR. We are already stretched thin with too many deployments and now this.
"Prioritizing Flying Hours
Last week, eight Air Force fighter and bomber units ceased flying and entered a dormant status. Four additional units are expected to stand down when they return from deployment in the next few weeks. And another bomber unit that is slated to come home this summer will stand down once it returns, said Air Force Secretary Michael Donley."
We doing to ourselves what we did to the Soviet Union years ago when they could no longer fund their military. There are too many inept politicians (both Democrat and Republicans) in Washington. The military proposes saving money by shutting down excess bases and the politicians say not in my district. Meanwhile thousands of AF crewmembers (and Army / Navy personnel) sit loosing their war fighting edge and proficiency. It will be more expensive in the end including the loss of life.
"Prioritizing Flying Hours
Last week, eight Air Force fighter and bomber units ceased flying and entered a dormant status. Four additional units are expected to stand down when they return from deployment in the next few weeks. And another bomber unit that is slated to come home this summer will stand down once it returns, said Air Force Secretary Michael Donley."
We doing to ourselves what we did to the Soviet Union years ago when they could no longer fund their military. There are too many inept politicians (both Democrat and Republicans) in Washington. The military proposes saving money by shutting down excess bases and the politicians say not in my district. Meanwhile thousands of AF crewmembers (and Army / Navy personnel) sit loosing their war fighting edge and proficiency. It will be more expensive in the end including the loss of life.
04-15-2013, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
OK. I'm an old warrior but still have a burning love for the military. I'm as worried now as I was during the Cuban Crisis when I orbited in a B-52 Loaded with four nucs near the USSR. We are already stretched thin with too many deployments and now this.
"Prioritizing Flying Hours
Last week, eight Air Force fighter and bomber units ceased flying and entered a dormant status. Four additional units are expected to stand down when they return from deployment in the next few weeks. And another bomber unit that is slated to come home this summer will stand down once it returns, said Air Force Secretary Michael Donley."
We doing to ourselves what we did to the Soviet Union years ago when they could no longer fund their military. There are too many inept politicians (both Democrat and Republicans) in Washington. The military proposes saving money by shutting down excess bases and the politicians say not in my district. Meanwhile thousands of AF crewmembers (and Army / Navy personnel) sit loosing their war fighting edge and proficiency. It will be more expensive in the end including the loss of life.
"Prioritizing Flying Hours
Last week, eight Air Force fighter and bomber units ceased flying and entered a dormant status. Four additional units are expected to stand down when they return from deployment in the next few weeks. And another bomber unit that is slated to come home this summer will stand down once it returns, said Air Force Secretary Michael Donley."
We doing to ourselves what we did to the Soviet Union years ago when they could no longer fund their military. There are too many inept politicians (both Democrat and Republicans) in Washington. The military proposes saving money by shutting down excess bases and the politicians say not in my district. Meanwhile thousands of AF crewmembers (and Army / Navy personnel) sit loosing their war fighting edge and proficiency. It will be more expensive in the end including the loss of life.
04-15-2013, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
OK. I'm an old warrior but still have a burning love for the military. I'm as worried now as I was during the Cuban Crisis when I orbited in a B-52 Loaded with four nucs near the USSR. We are already stretched thin with too many deployments and now this.
"Prioritizing Flying Hours
Last week, eight Air Force fighter and bomber units ceased flying and entered a dormant status. Four additional units are expected to stand down when they return from deployment in the next few weeks. And another bomber unit that is slated to come home this summer will stand down once it returns, said Air Force Secretary Michael Donley."
We doing to ourselves what we did to the Soviet Union years ago when they could no longer fund their military. There are too many inept politicians (both Democrat and Republicans) in Washington. The military proposes saving money by shutting down excess bases and the politicians say not in my district. Meanwhile thousands of AF crewmembers (and Army / Navy personnel) sit loosing their war fighting edge and proficiency. It will be more expensive in the end including the loss of life.
"Prioritizing Flying Hours
Last week, eight Air Force fighter and bomber units ceased flying and entered a dormant status. Four additional units are expected to stand down when they return from deployment in the next few weeks. And another bomber unit that is slated to come home this summer will stand down once it returns, said Air Force Secretary Michael Donley."
We doing to ourselves what we did to the Soviet Union years ago when they could no longer fund their military. There are too many inept politicians (both Democrat and Republicans) in Washington. The military proposes saving money by shutting down excess bases and the politicians say not in my district. Meanwhile thousands of AF crewmembers (and Army / Navy personnel) sit loosing their war fighting edge and proficiency. It will be more expensive in the end including the loss of life.
Looks like you are in an WB-57. Do you know Duster?
~Kuma
04-15-2013, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Kuma
F Troop-
Looks like you are in an WB-57. Do you know Duster?
~Kuma
Looks like you are in an WB-57. Do you know Duster?
~Kuma
Do know some of the U-2R pilots like "Hector" and "Huggy" .
04-15-2013, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
It is a risky bluff by the csaf. If it works and sequestration is undone he will be seen as a genius. If the stand down last as long or longer then expected the first order effects will be immediately catastrophic and the third order effects will take decades to undo. The ARC may come out of this looking like a more favorable construct, of course it will be at the expense of active duty.
04-15-2013, 04:00 PM
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That posturing has killed the 13B WIC classe...great idea! 
Not only that, you potentially killed a lot of dudes chances to compete for WIC or become IPs! The AF is already having a hard time keeping IPs and it's only going to get worse if the airlines start hiring. It's only 6 months (hopefully), but this will have far reaching effects...for years!
Here is the full list.
Air Force Times Mobile - Reduced flying hours forces grounding of 17 USAF combat air squadrons
Not only that, you potentially killed a lot of dudes chances to compete for WIC or become IPs! The AF is already having a hard time keeping IPs and it's only going to get worse if the airlines start hiring. It's only 6 months (hopefully), but this will have far reaching effects...for years!Here is the full list.
Air Force Times Mobile - Reduced flying hours forces grounding of 17 USAF combat air squadrons
F-22
94th Fighter Squadron -- Grounded April 9
27th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through September
3rd Fighter Wing -- Two squadrons combat mission ready through September
15th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
49th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
F-15 C/D
67th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through September
44th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through July, then Combat mission ready through September
48th Fighter Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
F-15E
366th Fighter Squadron -- Grounded April 9
335th Fighter Squadron -- Combat mission ready through September
48th Fighter Wing -- Two squadrons stand down April 9
391st Fighter Squadron -- Stands down April 9
F-16 C/D
8th Fighter Wing -- Two squadrons combat mission ready through September
77th Fighter Squadron -- Stands down April 9
55th Fighter Squadron -- Combat mission ready through September
79th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through July, then combat mission ready through September
555th Fighter Squadron -- Stands down April 9
510th Fighter Squadron -- Combat mission ready through September
13th Fighter Squadron -- Combat mission ready through September
14th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through September
51st Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
57th Wing -- One squadron (Thunderbirds) stands down April 9
158th Fighter Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
169th Fighter Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
187th Fighter Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
354th Fighter Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
4th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable until redeployment
421st Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through September
A-10C
75th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through July, then combat mission ready through September
51st Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
52nd Fighter Wing -- Closing
442nd Fighter Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
917th Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
HH-60G
18th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
48th Fighter Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
B-1B
7th Bomb Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
28th Bomb Wing -- Two squadrons stand down April 9
B-2
509th Bomb Wing -- Two squadrons combat mission ready through September
B-52
2nd Bomb Wing -- One squadron stand down April 9
5th Bomb Wing -- Two combat squadrons combat mission ready through September
E-3B/C/G
3rd Bomb Wing -- Basic mission capable through September
18th Wing -- One squadron basic mission capable through September
552nd Air Control Wing -- One squadron basic mission capable through September
SE-4B
55th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
EC-130H
55 Electronic Combat Group -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
OC-135B
55th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
RC-135S
55th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
RC-135U
55th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
RC-135V/W
55th Wing -- One squadron basic mission capable through September
TC-135W
55th Wing (training) -- One squadron basic mission capable through September
WC-135C/W
55th Wing. -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
94th Fighter Squadron -- Grounded April 9
27th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through September
3rd Fighter Wing -- Two squadrons combat mission ready through September
15th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
49th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
F-15 C/D
67th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through September
44th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through July, then Combat mission ready through September
48th Fighter Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
F-15E
366th Fighter Squadron -- Grounded April 9
335th Fighter Squadron -- Combat mission ready through September
48th Fighter Wing -- Two squadrons stand down April 9
391st Fighter Squadron -- Stands down April 9
F-16 C/D
8th Fighter Wing -- Two squadrons combat mission ready through September
77th Fighter Squadron -- Stands down April 9
55th Fighter Squadron -- Combat mission ready through September
79th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through July, then combat mission ready through September
555th Fighter Squadron -- Stands down April 9
510th Fighter Squadron -- Combat mission ready through September
13th Fighter Squadron -- Combat mission ready through September
14th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through September
51st Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
57th Wing -- One squadron (Thunderbirds) stands down April 9
158th Fighter Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
169th Fighter Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
187th Fighter Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
354th Fighter Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
4th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable until redeployment
421st Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through September
A-10C
75th Fighter Squadron -- Basic mission capable through July, then combat mission ready through September
51st Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
52nd Fighter Wing -- Closing
442nd Fighter Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
917th Wing -- One squadron stands down April 9
HH-60G
18th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
48th Fighter Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
B-1B
7th Bomb Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
28th Bomb Wing -- Two squadrons stand down April 9
B-2
509th Bomb Wing -- Two squadrons combat mission ready through September
B-52
2nd Bomb Wing -- One squadron stand down April 9
5th Bomb Wing -- Two combat squadrons combat mission ready through September
E-3B/C/G
3rd Bomb Wing -- Basic mission capable through September
18th Wing -- One squadron basic mission capable through September
552nd Air Control Wing -- One squadron basic mission capable through September
SE-4B
55th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
EC-130H
55 Electronic Combat Group -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
OC-135B
55th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
RC-135S
55th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
RC-135U
55th Wing -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
RC-135V/W
55th Wing -- One squadron basic mission capable through September
TC-135W
55th Wing (training) -- One squadron basic mission capable through September
WC-135C/W
55th Wing. -- One squadron combat mission ready through September
04-15-2013, 05:54 PM
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Getting these squadrons back on their feet is going to be monumental. we are not doing this to ourselves, our civilian leadership is, which is how our constitution and government work. I'm OK with this fact, though I do not agree with it. I am far from a (D) or BO supporter but elections have consequences. The military actually works for their pay, some of it very low (ask a SEAL who was on the Bin Laden raid how much he makes), but we a prioritizing other things (unemployment/welfare/green companies that go bankrupt) over military readiness. VOTE.
