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Ftrooppilot 08-16-2013 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Hacker15e (Post 1463930)
To be fair, Huggy...many have fared slightly worse than you have on your career arc (which is pretty unique amongst the vast majority of military pilots I've met...in a good way). . . .

Life was good for Huggy except those times about 5 hours into a seven hour pressure suit flight and he had to **** like a race horse. Oh the pain . . . .:eek:

tankerpuke 08-16-2013 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hueypilot (Post 1456509)
So in addition to the political backstabbing nature that is now our promotion system, we've got these other factors working for us too. As the military shrinks and staying in gets tougher, the politics behind promoting will get worse. We have LTs now trying to get masters degrees because soon it'll be possible to get passed over at the O-3 level for only having a bachelor's degree. Last couple promotion cycles have seen people up for O-4 getting passed over and separated because they were not masters complete, or had been an exec somewhere in their career. The days of flying as your primary duty are over. No one cares if you can fly an airplane well, they just want to see that you got an advanced degree, worked with Habitat for Humanity, and won CGO of the year for organizing the last commander's Change of Command ceremony.

Spot on Huey

Ftrooppilot 08-16-2013 08:23 AM

The USAF Needs More Dumb People
 
I posted this a few year back and it is still applicable. When I attended ACSC (Maxwell) a young bearded college professor spoke in the big "blue bedroom." Being the Vietnam Era, just his appearance seemed to affront everybody. Forty five minutes later he got a standing ovation.

He said the problem with the USAF is you don't have enough dumb (less educated) people.

Joe Smith comes out of the Tennessee Hills, gets his first pair of boots, three square meals a day, a roof over his head and a job driving the crew bus. He loves it. After about two years the NCOIC says," Joe - you got to complete your High School GED and think about attending an NCO school or taking correspondence courses.

Joe says, "Sarge - I love my job and you have told me I am one of the best crew bus drivers. I just want to drive the bus for twenty years, retire and go back to the hills and be somebody successful. Joe is passed over for promotion, and not reenlisted. He drives back to TN and passes Harry going the other way. Harry will become another of the rotating crew bus driver.

The professor than asked, "How many of you pilots out there would rather be in the cockpit right now then here listening to me in the blue bedroom ?" (Riotous applause)

The AF demands people be educated far beyond the requirements of their job and gets rid of then if they don't qualify to be a Chief Master Sargent or General - only a small percentage make it.

Why can't pilots (and crew bus drivers) make a career out of the AF job they love ? The training costs to do other wise must be horrendous.

MikeF16 08-17-2013 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 1464055)
I posted this a few year back and it is still applicable. When I attended ACSC (Maxwell) a young bearded college professor spoke in the big "blue bedroom." Being the Vietnam Era, just his appearance seemed to affront everybody. Forty five minutes later he got a standing ovation.

He said the problem with the USAF is you don't have enough dumb (less educated) people.

Joe Smith comes out of the Tennessee Hills, gets his first pair of boots, three square meals a day, a roof over his head and a job driving the crew bus. He loves it. After about two years the NCOIC says," Joe - you got to complete your High School GED and think about attending an NCO school or taking correspondence courses.

Joe says, "Sarge - I love my job and you have told me I am one of the best crew bus drivers. I just want to drive the bus for twenty years, retire and go back to the hills and be somebody successful. Joe is passed over for promotion, and not reenlisted. He drives back to TN and passes Harry going the other way. Harry will become another of the rotating crew bus driver.

The professor than asked, "How many of you pilots out there would rather be in the cockpit right now then here listening to me in the blue bedroom ?" (Riotous applause)

The AF demands people be educated far beyond the requirements of their job and gets rid of then if they don't qualify to be a Chief Master Sargent or General - only a small percentage make it.

Why can't pilots (and crew bus drivers) make a career out of the AF job they love ? The training costs to do other wise must be horrendous.

This forum needs a like button since that was pretty well stated. That said, I told the AF FU to command and leadership positions and let the chips fall where they may... Still made O-5 and after beginning pilot training at the 2 year point in my career, I'll have spent 17 out of my last 18 years in the AF in a flying assignment. While I complained bitterly while doing them, in retrospect I can consider the BS education stuff I did on the side the price to pay if I wanted to keep flying for the AF and getting promoted. I've got a useless masters and 3 useless PME courses under my belt but in exchange the AF let me get 3000 hours in T-37s, T-38s, and F-16s. I think I got the better of the deal.

Sputnik 08-18-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1464863)
..... I think I got the better of the deal.

Mike, similar feeling. Generally speaking, I had a great time....to the point that I'm having trouble dropping papers. Gunna do it, but don't have the bitterness many others seem to.

You a 94 guy?

MikeF16 08-18-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 1465351)
Mike, similar feeling. Generally speaking, I had a great time....to the point that I'm having trouble dropping papers. Gunna do it, but don't have the bitterness many others seem to.

You a 94 guy?

Ya. My only hesitation in quitting was finding another job. If I'm well paid on the outside I won't miss it except when I see my old baby flying up initial. Doesn't mean I didn't love doing the job but it is time to move on.


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