Yeah, that was poorly worded on my part. Of course I wouldn't do it for free. I realize how the attitude of racing to the bottom has helped set up a terrible culture in a lot of the aviation world, specifically the regional world.

I agree. I was speaking purely theoretical in the sense that I valued currency more important than trying a way to pay the bills. I realize they can't be separated and are both important for a multitude of reasons. It came out wrong and was inappropriate. I, like many others here, view themselves as professionals with a high skill set and should be compensated accordingly. I would never do anything to degrade the profession or industry. Apologies all the way around for the poor statement.

Been there, done that! Excellent advice....

Quite a bit, thank you!!

Yikes. These are clearly extremes, but, point made. Thank you!

Wouldn't doubt it for an instant. But that's why pilots don't work for the station manager. I've laughed in their faces as I turned and walked away... Yeah Bro, Whatever. The CP at any airline would back you to the hilt on something like this, but since you don't work for Ops anyway it shouldn't even come to that.


That's SOP at any airline. Mx tries to appease Ops by over-promising completion time. Ops tries to lead the problem by giving crew support an even earlier show. CS tries to lead that...I learned to always call the Mx Sup and find out the real schedule before getting in my car.

Both are valid points.

I was giving examples of real events that shape the environment which leads to the ad infinitum, real world slug fest of Labor vs. Management. Which is why the Union is on the playing field.

If you go the regional route to build up some recent time, do you get a PIC type rating with their FO training?

Hobbit, those stories sound familiar and are all real-life.

Here's another good one from my personal file. At AA, we have what are called "golden" days off on reserve. Golden means "We cannot touch you, make you do any work, for that 24 hour period."

I am on my last golden day of 3 in a row. At 1900, the phone rings. It's crew schedule. I don't HAVE to answer the phone, but I do. Big mistake.

CS: "We need you to fly the Sao Paulo trip tonite."

ME: "You can't do that. I'm on a Golden."

CS: "Here's the deal... fly the trip, or we'll delay it to a 0101 departure. Your sign-in will be 0001 tonight."

ME: <?? Yeah I guess they can do that. I can either fly the trip on schedule, or delay 250 people for 4 hours.> "OK, I'm on my way."

In retrospect, I should have opened a beer while on the phone and taken a sip, but even that wouldn't work, because in theory, I was on duty at midnight, so drinking then would have me violate alcohol rules. :rolleyes:

Interesting question... I just assume that as an FO you would only log SIC. You'll build up a bunch of turbine time and add to your total time, but I'm pretty sure it will be all SIC. Otherwise you'd have a ton of FO's who have not been able to upgrade with boat loads of PIC. Of couse i could be completely talking out of my arse :D!!!

Man this thread has taken quite the departure from the original posting!

Thread Drift:

It's an artform.