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UASIT 01-29-2014 11:19 AM

How many of these are out there?

Pentagon investigations point to military system that promotes abusive leaders - The Washington Post

Maj. Gen. Stephen D. Schmidt: Report of investigation - The Washington Post

Report on the conduct of Brig. Gen. Scott F. Donahue - The Washington Post

Report on the conduct of Brig. Gen. Eugene Mascolo - The Washington Post

And on SES:

Report on the conduct of Joyce Morrow - The Washington Post

BUFFy 01-29-2014 02:15 PM

Agree with a lot of this. Too bad it took him getting to General for people to realize he was a terrible leader and human being. Wish there was a follower feedback system.

UASIT 01-29-2014 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by BUFFy (Post 1569876)
Agree with a lot of this. Too bad it took him getting to General for people to realize he was a terrible leader and human being. Wish there was a follower feedback system.

There is going to be a follower feedback system implemented for officers...

SecDef and senior officers want it implemented and have discussed...

Brew1538 01-29-2014 06:29 PM

I have a great idea. Have OSI put Generals under the same snitch program that they implemented at USAFA. Once they start wondering which guy on the staff may be working for the OSI, then they will understand the betrayal that other cadets feel. Sorry, hate to mix threads but the double standards regarding senior leaders are mind boggling.

LivingInMEM 02-02-2014 12:16 PM

Today, by and large, military officers find it exceedingly difficult to discipline their own; it's just not in the genetic makeup anymore. This goes for senior officers correcting junior officers as well. Additionally, more officers are focused on their own path than they are on mentoring junior officers. From that point of view, it isn't surprising that these generals are getting highlighted; take someone who is prone to inappropriate or abusive behavior, then give them the latitude and authority that comes with O-6+ rank, and you'll inevitably get someone who thinks they are untouchable.

For the record, I can't separate personal behavior from professional behavior, so I therefore can't pretend that they'll make appropriate and ethical decisions professionally when their personal behavior is not so. That's like saying a kid who continuously steals from the dollar star can be trusted to not steal from the electronics store. In most cases, people (even senior people) knew or had an inclination of the poor behavior prior to the promotion, it's just that it took the increased scrutiny that came with their higher position to force some movement from the machine.

rickair7777 02-02-2014 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by LivingInMEM (Post 1572735)
Today, by and large, military officers find it exceedingly difficult to discipline their own; it's just not in the genetic makeup anymore. This goes for senior officers correcting junior officers as well. Additionally, more officers are focused on their own path than they are on mentoring junior officers. From that point of view, it isn't surprising that these generals are getting highlighted; take someone who is prone to inappropriate or abusive behavior, then give them the latitude and authority that comes with O-6+ rank, and you'll inevitably get someone who thinks they are untouchable.

For the record, I can't separate personal behavior from professional behavior, so I therefore can't pretend that they'll make appropriate and ethical decisions professionally when their personal behavior is not so. That's like saying a kid who continuously steals from the dollar star can be trusted to not steal from the electronics store. In most cases, people (even senior people) knew or had an inclination of the poor behavior prior to the promotion, it's just that it took the increased scrutiny that came with their higher position to force some movement from the machine.

I agree. You have to put up with so much BS and hoop jumping to make it that a lot of talented but normal (ie give a crap about their family) guys are opting out, leaving the way free and clear for the "outliers". Same in national politics (or maybe they've always been that way).

I'm glad I'm in the reserves.

bunk22 02-02-2014 11:56 PM

This isn't anything new, probably dates back to the Roman times and before. I've personally known CO/XO's, even an O-6 rank demonstrating all sorts of, well, behavior considered inappropriate. Some of it was on duty, most of it off.

Packrat 02-03-2014 07:37 AM

You guys never heard of the Tailhook debacle? Nothing new to see here, folks.

LivingInMEM 02-03-2014 08:38 AM

This is nothing like tailhook.

iceman49 02-03-2014 08:51 AM

Pensions continue to grow for military brass


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