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Flyinhigh 03-23-2014 06:25 AM

I watched the PC madness start to take over just before I retired in 1992. The powers that be introduced a nose art program for our aircraft that was a throwback to the WWII era nose art. The whole purpose was to instill a sense of pride and esprit into the units. Well, about four or five months into the program the PC nonsense started. One of our female crewmembers raised a stink about one of the pictures and said she didn't believe that she would be comfortable looking at it with her mother. She was deeply offended and refused to fly in that particular aircraft!! I don't know if the Air Force caved and had it removed because I retired and walked away from it all. From what I understand, it has gone down hill ever since.

WARich 03-23-2014 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by Flyinhigh (Post 1608539)
I watched the PC madness start to take over just before I retired in 1992. The powers that be introduced a nose art program for our aircraft that was a throwback to the WWII era nose art. The whole purpose was to instill a sense of pride and esprit into the units. Well, about four or five months into the program the PC nonsense started. One of our female crewmembers raised a stink about one of the pictures and said she didn't believe that she would be comfortable looking at it with her mother. She was deeply offended and refused to fly in that particular aircraft!! I don't know if the Air Force caved and had it removed because I retired and walked away from it all. From what I understand, it has gone down hill ever since.

Pretty much all the nose art from WWII the PC police would have issues with.

TankerDriver 03-23-2014 09:55 AM

Despite the AF being the youngest service, we've ironically been losing our heritage the quickest. It's a sad day when a Comm officer can wear wings. I remember when our comm/cc (a young Capt) walked in to standup the first day with his wings on his blues and a bunch of comments flew around the room. One of them was, "How'd you get those? Microsoft FlightSim?".:D

Deuce130 03-23-2014 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by TankerDriver (Post 1608658)
Despite the AF being the youngest service, we've ironically been losing our heritage the quickest. It's a sad day when a Comm officer can wear wings. I remember when our comm/cc (a young Capt) walked in to standup the first day with his wings on his blues and a bunch of comments flew around the room. One of them was, "How'd you get those? Microsoft FlightSim?".:D

I'm not aware of anyone wearing pilot wings that hasn't been through UPT. Unless, you meant some other kind of wings. Which, if that's the case, who cares?

HDawg 03-23-2014 11:57 AM

How about Wook Wednesdays...

ghilis101 03-23-2014 12:49 PM

Im not sure any of this makes us a less effective AF, at least in the heavy world. We ushered in the era of CRM/TEM and we crash far fewer airplanes than we ever have in our history, and weve done away with the "tyrant" captain mentality just as the airlines have. Ive seen female pilots fly better than most men, including a C17 WIC grad that's now a DO in CHS, and is probably one of the coolest people to be around. So if that means losing dirty nose art is it really that big of a deal?

The stuff about other non-flying support jobs that are perceived to be prioritized ahead of flying airplanes is an issue that isn't really about PC. Its about everyone trying to protect their kingdom. Yes I would like to see the Air Force mission place flying above all, but that's up to leadership to decide.

Wollac 03-23-2014 02:17 PM

Can we get back to talking about mustaches now?

Jughead135 03-24-2014 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by Albief15 (Post 1608209)
In PSAB in late 90s [...] It was Lord of the Flies on steroids. Its was Catch 22. It was a drama of the absurd.

And the REALLY sad thing is that AUAB of the 2000s/2010s makes PSAB look like "the good ol' days".... Not kidding. FWIW, I gather there have been some improvements there over the last year or so--happy not to have any first-hand info to offer, though....

ugleeual 03-24-2014 06:03 AM


Can we get back to talking about mustaches now?
Ditto... Participate or don't participate... But give it a rest.

TankerDriver 03-26-2014 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Deuce130 (Post 1608703)
I'm not aware of anyone wearing pilot wings that hasn't been through UPT. Unless, you meant some other kind of wings. Which, if that's the case, who cares?

Behold the cyber wings...

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/be...yber_wings.jpg


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