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banana380 07-31-2016 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Hacker15e (Post 2171183)
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Of note: I closed on the house before I left active duty and it didn't make a difference in the process. The bank wanted documentation of continued service if I was going to claim my military income in obtaining the loan. This isn't their first rodeo.

This is kinda what I was afraid of happening if I tried to do that. I talked to the guy from NBKC yesterday, he mentioned manual underwriting but didn't sound like it should be a problem. He seemed to agree that 150K was a reasonable target home price on first year regional pay, and Zillow has a good number of ok houses in that range in North Ft. Worth where we're looking.

Interesting point, he said that despite the bonus, they can't count that toward your pay unless there is proof of it continuing, which obviously can't be done unless the regionals change something. So I plan on discussing it with a financial advisor, but plan to use the bonus to pay off wifey's student loan and eliminate monthly debt payments since TX is a community property state and that $250 a month would count against our debt/income ratio.

PilotWife2 08-01-2016 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by banana380 (Post 2171224)
This is kinda what I was afraid of happening if I tried to do that. I talked to the guy from NBKC yesterday, he mentioned manual underwriting but didn't sound like it should be a problem. He seemed to agree that 150K was a reasonable target home price on first year regional pay, and Zillow has a good number of ok houses in that range in North Ft. Worth where we're looking.

Interesting point, he said that despite the bonus, they can't count that toward your pay unless there is proof of it continuing, which obviously can't be done unless the regionals change something. So I plan on discussing it with a financial advisor, but plan to use the bonus to pay off wifey's student loan and eliminate monthly debt payments since TX is a community property state and that $250 a month would count against our debt/income ratio.

Just an FYI, standard underwriting guidelines state we can only use incentive based income like commissions, bonuses, and OT if there is a 2 year's history with the same employer and confirmation that you are eligible to receive the same in the future. Hope this helps clarify!

PilotWife2 08-01-2016 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Hacker15e (Post 2171183)
I did exactly what you're talking about; bought a house on a VA loan while separating with my follow-on employment at a regional.

It was a bit of a pain to show the loan guy what my income was going to actually be. I sent them a copy of the contract for the regional I was going to be working at, which showed both the pay scale as well as monthly hourly pay guarantees, etc. I created a spreadsheet that showed what my minimum annual income was going to based on the contract, but the bank wasn't satisfied with it.

I eventually had to contact the regional itself, which had a contractor they employed to verify employment. That contractor was able to produce a document that said basically the same thing I had previously done, showing the minimum income that the contract guaranteed for the first year, second year, third year of employment. Since it was on company letterhead, I guess, the bank accepted it and I got the loan.

Of note: I closed on the house before I left active duty and it didn't make a difference in the process. The bank wanted documentation of continued service if I was going to claim my military income in obtaining the loan. This isn't their first rodeo.

Just an FYI, banks have to independently verify the income you will earn which is why they could not use the spreadsheet you created but could use the one the contractor generated. Frustrating when it is the same info, but hopefully helps explain why they could not use what you generated.

PilotWife2 08-01-2016 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by FLY6584 (Post 2170491)
I am putting zero down on my VA and show a high debt to income ratio due to first year guarantee and they are making it happen.

A down payment may or may not be required depending on the overall profile of your loan and how much of a purchase price the new home will be. I have had borrowers with only first year FO pay qualify for pricey homes, but they had very little other debt and a significant down payment. I have also qualified borrowers with 1st year FO pay with NO money down if the purchase price isn't too out of bounds and there isn't much other debt. General rule of thumb with VA financing is that the debt ratio (total debt including your mortgage payment principal + interest + taxes + insurance + any applicable HOA dues) does not exceed 55% of your gross income. You can qualify over 55%, but there need to be mitigating circumstances on the file (high credit scores, strong assets, selling a home which will drop the overall debt ratio, pay increase once hit 2nd year pay, etc..).

Lobaeux 08-01-2016 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Planephlyer (Post 2170436)
Try National Bank of Kansas City (NBKC). I'm still in and refinanced recently, their customer service is amazing. Some of my Bro's, in your same shoes, are having success there once they separate.


Originally Posted by PilotWife2 (Post 2170449)
Hello! I work for NBKC, and my husband is retired Air Force and flies for Delta. I have helped many people in your exact situation. Send me a PM if I can be of any help!

I can not recommend NKBC enough!!! They were fantastic!!! On the ball and impressed my realtor with their service.

I believe I worked with Pilotwife2, she was immense! Customer service through the roof!!!

I had originally went through a local mortgage company, they couldn't understand the way pilots are paid, they insisted I was only part time since I was only guaranteed 72 hours a month. NKBC made it happen!

For my next house, I'm going back to NKBC for my mortgage.

My God, I sound like a commercial, but they were great. This was my eighth house I've purchased, and they were easily the best mortgage company I've dealt with.

PRS Guitars 08-01-2016 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by Lobaeux (Post 2172202)
I can not recommend NKBC enough!!! They were fantastic!!! On the ball and impressed my realtor with their service.

I believe I worked with Pilotwife2, she was immense! Customer service through the roof!!!

I had originally went through a local mortgage company, they couldn't understand the way pilots are paid, they insisted I was only part time since I was only guaranteed 72 hours a month. NKBC made it happen!

For my next house, I'm going back to NKBC for my mortgage.

My God, I sound like a commercial, but they were great. This was my eighth house I've purchased, and they were easily the best mortgage company I've dealt with.

Same,

I worked with Dave Devine, and he was awesome. He knows the airline business and military and made the process easy. I highly recommend them.

navigatro 08-01-2016 05:23 PM

I would absolutely RENT if I was in your shoes.

Wait until you have your dream job at a major, and are stable in domicile. Then buy.

banana380 08-02-2016 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by navigatro (Post 2172268)
I would absolutely RENT if I was in your shoes.

Wait until you have your dream job at a major, and are stable in domicile. Then buy.

Rent vs Buy Calculator | Zillow

At about 2.5 years it becomes better to buy vs. rent for me. It will be in domicile (DFW), and I expect to be at my regional for at least 6 years (I'll leave the upgrade/flow timeline debate for the Envoy thread...). I've rented for the past few years and I'm tired of p!ssing away money with no equity.

When I get my dream job at a major, we'll upgrade to a nicer house :) .

Otterbox 08-02-2016 05:34 PM

I think what people are trying to tell you is its going to be difficult buying right away leaving the Navy since your employment status will be in flux. You're not going to be an Envoy employee when you get out due to your side tour in SD in the training program. How long will it be between seperation and having an envoy employee number?

banana380 08-03-2016 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2172964)
I think what people are trying to tell you is its going to be difficult buying right away leaving the Navy since your employment status will be in flux. You're not going to be an Envoy employee when you get out due to your side tour in SD in the training program. How long will it be between seperation and having an envoy employee number?

It will take a couple of months to do the time building. Wife and kid will stay with her parents in DFW during that time, and I'm anticipating staying with them until I get said employee # and contract to quote for the mortgage underwriting.

I agree that it will be difficult w/ the changes, but having the in-laws to lean on during the transition should make it doable.


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