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61.159(a)(5)
Gents,
Bluf, I logged approx. 474 hours of SIC time at 9E back in 2008 before moving onto Army aviation. Since I moved on to the airline without flight instructing, I have very little FW PIC time. From reading the reg. many times, I cannot determine if my part 121 SIC time will satisfy the requirement of 61.159(a)(5). I'm about to be REFRAD, and I'm looking to go back to the airlines. Any thoughts? |
Originally Posted by armyflyer11
(Post 2255358)
Gents,
Bluf, I logged approx. 474 hours of SIC time at 9E back in 2008 before moving onto Army aviation. Since I moved on to the airline without flight instructing, I have very little FW PIC time. From reading the reg. many times, I cannot determine if my part 121 SIC time will satisfy the requirement of 61.159(a)(5). I'm about to be REFRAD, and I'm looking to go back to the airlines. Any thoughts? |
Originally Posted by hindsight2020
(Post 2255373)
In theory, yes regional FO time would fit the definition of SIC while acting as PIC under the supervision of the Part 1 PIC. What I wonder is, how in the hell are you going to document that as qualifying time to the DPE? Honor system I suppose. It's not like your airline kept track of who was PF for what leg.
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Originally Posted by hindsight2020
(Post 2255373)
In theory, yes regional FO time would fit the definition of SIC while acting as PIC under the supervision of the Part 1 PIC. What I wonder is, how in the hell are you going to document that as qualifying time to the DPE? Honor system I suppose. It's not like your airline kept track of who was PF for what leg.
Since the PIC in this case does not have to be a CFI in order to give this training, there is technically no requirement that you have his signature, but as was mentioned good luck selling a DPE on that. Don't even try it, because if somebody bothers to contact one of the PICs in question you would be in very deep doo doo when he didn't have any idea what the FAA was talking about. Also PF/PM has nothing to do with it. This is not about control manipulation. Possible work-around, if you flew enough with one CA to meet the requirement, and can get hold of him, he might agree to counting the time for 61.159(a)(5). I would probably agree to that if I thought the FO in question was up to 121 PIC standards at the time the flights occurred. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2256501)
DANGER! No, you cannot just retroactively claim previous 121 SIC time for 61.159(a)(5). It must have been premeditated, ie the actual PIC knew and agreed to it. Also as with any time for FAA purposes it must be logged in some fashion to reflect what it is. I have seen this done in personal logbooks, counter-signed by the actual PIC, and also on a company form, also signed by the PIC.
Since the PIC in this case does not have to be a CFI in order to give this training, there is technically no requirement that you have his signature, but as was mentioned good luck selling a DPE on that. Don't even try it, because if somebody bothers to contact one of the PICs in question you would be in very deep doo doo when he didn't have any idea what the FAA was talking about. Also PF/PM has nothing to do with it. This is not about control manipulation. Possible work-around, if you flew enough with one CA to meet the requirement, and can get hold of him, he might agree to counting the time for 61.159(a)(5). I would probably agree to that if I thought the FO in question was up to 121 PIC standards at the time the flights occurred. https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/...n_8900.212.pdf |
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