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Old 02-12-2017, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Tweetdrvr View Post
Source? Did this person do interservice transfer, leave the Army completely and go through a commissioning program, or was he under 30 and his ANG/AFRC unit did not bother to convert because it was not necessary?


See this thread from 2013.

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Not sure about ISTs, but there have been several army helo guys going through FWQ/UPT in the last 5 years. Most ETS from the army and join the ANG. So no IST required. Pretty much the same as going AD AF to ANG as far as getting hired, but with an ARB and personnel paperwork game switching both components and services and converting everything over to fit in the AF squares.
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Old 02-12-2017, 06:02 PM
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As I said above between my previous two posts, yes you can transfer wings as a former army helo guy via an ARB, but with a RW/V-22 only stipulation. Reference AFI 11-402 2.10.3. You go through an ARB and get your wings transfered, but still attend UPT (full course since FWQ went away) and that removes your RW/V-22 restriction to your already held AF pilot wings/rating. Semantics, but saying wings can't be transferred isn't accurate.


Ah, thanks for the clarification. All I knew was that he was there, having to go through the whole program with everyone else. I wasn't in on the inner workings of the transfer.


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Old 02-26-2017, 11:25 AM
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Anyone know how age waivers are working for civilians? I am 25 right now and want to fly in the ANG. The issue is that I would prefer to get a seniority number at a major first, given all the hiring right now. If I am around 28/29 do you think I can still get an ANG spot or would I be considered too old?
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Old 02-26-2017, 11:40 AM
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Do you have an interview with a legacy? If not and you want to fly with a legacy, my advice would be to take the UPT slot now. I've known several pilots with good experience in the civilian world, go thru UPT and go right with a legacy. Age waivers are risky, no guarantees; but USAF UPT plus some good civilian time is as close to guarantee to a legacy spot as it comes.


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Old 02-26-2017, 11:56 AM
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[QUOTE=galaxy flyer;2309371]Do you have an interview with a legacy? If not and you want to fly with a legacy, my advice would be to take the UPT slot now. I've known several pilots with good experience in the civilian world, go thru UPT and go right with a legacy. Age waivers are risky, no guarantees; but USAF UPT plus some good civilian time is as close to guarantee to a legacy spot as it comes.

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Old 07-29-2017, 07:13 PM
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Is it a good idea to become an army AD pilot and then hope to transfer into the USAF reserves/ANG one day (too old to start UPT unfortunately)? I am a current airline pilot, age 31, so army WOFT is still possible. Really don't care about the legacies; I just want to serve. The legacies will always be there.
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Old 07-30-2017, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Apokleros View Post
Is it a good idea to become an army AD pilot and then hope to transfer into the USAF reserves/ANG one day (too old to start UPT unfortunately)? I am a current airline pilot, age 31, so army WOFT is still possible. Really don't care about the legacies; I just want to serve. The legacies will always be there.
If you want to be a helo only dude in the ANG/reserves, maybe. If you become an army pilot, even if you go army fixed wing, you still will have to go through full UPT for the Air Force and meet age/commissioned time in service limits or get waivers. Look up the aeronautical review board AFIs for the info on that. The AF used to have a fixed wing qual course with no waivers required and it was mostly army folks going through it, but they got rid of it a few years ago. Age waivers in the guard/reserves are being given until 35 right now fwiw. Finding a unit willing to give a waiver is probably the biggest hurdle. The ones I know that have done it usually do it for guys enlisted in the unit.

So if you are against army flying long term and just want to use it to get into the ANG/AFRES, it's probably not a great idea. If you want to go fly helos in the army (or king airs or whatever else) and then go fly helos or ospreys in the ANG/AFRES, it's doable. If you want to fly airplanes in the Air Force, you are better off rushing guard/reserve units, or just applying (unsponsored) to an AFRC UPT board, knowing that you'll probably be stuck flying heavies if you get selected on that board.

That's the long answer. What do you want to fly in the ANG/Reserve?
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Old 07-30-2017, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy View Post
If you want to be a helo only dude in the ANG/reserves, maybe. If you become an army pilot, even if you go army fixed wing, you still will have to go through full UPT for the Air Force and meet age/commissioned time in service limits or get waivers. Look up the aeronautical review board AFIs for the info on that. The AF used to have a fixed wing qual course with no waivers required and it was mostly army folks going through it, but they got rid of it a few years ago. Age waivers in the guard/reserves are being given until 35 right now fwiw. Finding a unit willing to give a waiver is probably the biggest hurdle. The ones I know that have done it usually do it for guys enlisted in the unit.

So if you are against army flying long term and just want to use it to get into the ANG/AFRES, it's probably not a great idea. If you want to go fly helos in the army (or king airs or whatever else) and then go fly helos or ospreys in the ANG/AFRES, it's doable. If you want to fly airplanes in the Air Force, you are better off rushing guard/reserve units, or just applying (unsponsored) to an AFRC UPT board, knowing that you'll probably be stuck flying heavies if you get selected on that board.

That's the long answer. What do you want to fly in the ANG/Reserve?
Thanks for the worthwhile information. To be frank, I will take whatever I can get that is fixed-wing. Given that I am above 30, I feel can't be picky. I would actually prefer heavies over fighters though if the choice presented itself. I have heard that certain C-130 units need pilots more than units of other airframes. When you wrote unsponsored, does that mean lacking the support of a recruiter or a particular unit?
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Apokleros View Post
Thanks for the worthwhile information. To be frank, I will take whatever I can get that is fixed-wing. Given that I am above 30, I feel can't be picky. I would actually prefer heavies over fighters though if the choice presented itself. I have heard that certain C-130 units need pilots more than units of other airframes. When you wrote unsponsored, does that mean lacking the support of a recruiter or a particular unit?
Google "afrc unsponsored UPT" and there's a lot of info. It means you are applying to the reserves with no unit sponsoring you...in other words, AFRC selects you and sends you to UPT, then they will assign you to a unit that needs people (I think that's how that works). Not all that familiar with it. ANG only hires via individual units hiring...there's no centralized boards. AFRC has individual unit boards...they "hire" you then send your packet to the centralized AFRC board as a sponsored guy. Once you get past that centralized board you actually get hired. Or you just apply unsponsored to the afrc board. I think that's how that works. Baseops.net has more info on it. And this new website bogidope.com or something like that.
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