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Age waivers for ANG/AFRES

With all of the news about the units losing guys to the airlines, are they granting any age waivers? I am an Army Rotary wing guy that would like to make the switch if at all possible.

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Originally Posted by KYhawkdriver (Post 2298595)

With all of the news about the units losing guys to the airlines, are they granting any age waivers? I am an Army Rotary wing guy that would like to make the switch if at all possible.

If you are a rated pilot, I think a unit can do an aeronautical conversion through an FEB process that awards you AF pilot wings because your Army training is equal to AF helo training. At that point, you are now a helo pilot going to get fixed wing qualified and the age doesn't matter. I am pretty sure I have seen this in the past. Bad thing is the shorter fixed wing qual syllabus doesn't exist anymore, so you'd probably be class SRO and go through the full course. The good news is that it is one year plus of AD pay and points.

Good luck!

And the "short" course wasn't that short anyway. IIRC, 10 months v. 12. Yes, an Aeronautical Rating Board will work, like a simplified FEB without the adversarial feature. Not sure how Personnel will take you from WO to 2Lt, but it is doable.

GF

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Originally Posted by Tweetdrvr (Post 2298647)

Aeronautical Review Board is the process to transfer wings, not FEB. as you say, Fixed Wing Qual course went away a few years ago, so full UPT is the only path for army guys. If wings are transferred via ARB, there is a RW/MV22 restriction. If hired for heavies/fighters, UPT is required and all associated age/commissioned time in service restrictions apply. That said, NGB told me they are doing waivers for both until about age 35 right now, and that as a prior rated guy it is a fairly easy waiver. Finding a unit to hire you is the more difficult part.

What if you are an Army fixed wing guy

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Originally Posted by Ohlsan (Post 2298838)

What if you are an Army fixed wing guy

Every army fw guy I know who went ANG had to go thru FWQ or UPT. Army's MEFWQ course at Rucker isn't recognized as an adequate fixed wing course to satisfy their requirements like USN/USAF pilot training. A buddy of mine with thousands of C12/Sherpa hours went thru FWQ. It's all in an AFI I found with a little google research, I'll try to find it. AETC commander is the waiver authority and supposedly they have waived portions of UPT for some folks. I haven't heard of that first hand though.

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Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2298942)

Thanks, I will try to google it

No transfer of wings from Army Rotary. There was an Army RW guy while I was at UPT recently who had to go through the entire program to earn a second set of wings for AF fixed wing.

As for the age, I also knew a 37 year old who was there on a waiver. There was yet another guy there who I want to say was even older than he was, but that's unverified.

Source? Did this person do interservice transfer, leave the Army completely and go through a commissioning program, or was he under 30 and his ANG/AFRC unit did not bother to convert because it was not necessary?

See this thread from 2013.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...ransfer-2.html

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Originally Posted by Tweetdrvr (Post 1479286)

I have said this before in another ancient thread on the same topic or maybe on another forum. The rules on Army RW guys coming to the AF are not set in stone. For every rule, it seems like there is an exception. In thirteen years of doing Phase II, I have seen all sorts of crazy things. I have seen an AF Lt Col who went to RW UPT as a Lt, then get command of a FW Spec Ops deal to fly a 130 variant, have to come back to FWQ. I have seen an Aarmy guy who could not pass a physical based on hearing, get his aeronautical rating converted to AF equivalent so he could wear AF pilot wings. Then because he was a rated AF pilot, his hearing was waivable, but he went through full up UPT to Boise to fly A-10s. I've seen Army guys hired into ANG/ARC units do full UPT with their Army wings. Right now, there are two dudes at FWQ, and each one was told they were to be the last FWQ guys at different times, who are both way over 30. Their units converted them via ARB process to AF equivalent ratings, so they are now AF pilots going to FW UPT. I think if FWQ ever truly goes away, an Army guy who gets his wings converted would be able to go to UPT over 30, if a ANG/AFRES unit wanted to hire them and jump the hoops to make it happen. Slightly different subject but the age limit for units in conversion and losing their Nav/WSO/EWO/CSO (what ever they are this week and next week) positions as in 130E/H to J or RPA is 34 for those folks. The supposedly last two guys in FWQ are both over that number.

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Originally Posted by FlyingBulldog (Post 2300013)

As I said above between my previous two posts, yes you can transfer wings as a former army helo guy via an ARB, but with a RW/V-22 only stipulation. Reference AFI 11-402 2.10.3. You go through an ARB and get your wings transfered, but still attend UPT (full course since FWQ went away) and that removes your RW/V-22 restriction to your already held AF pilot wings/rating. Semantics, but saying wings can't be transferred isn't accurate.