Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Money Talk (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/money-talk/)
-   -   Is this true??? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/money-talk/17019-true.html)

LAfrequentflyer 09-18-2007 08:57 AM

Is this true???
 
Do 20-somethings expect the world on a silver platter?

By LISA OSBURN
BIRMINGHAM, ALA. — Sporting their “princess” T-shirts and $100
sneakers, members of Generation Y grew up hearing they could conquer
the world.

Many of their parents started them on that journey with laptop
computers, vehicles, cell phones, high-speed Internet connections and
MP3 players.

But the next step of life — entering the workforce — can be a tricky
one for the babies of the 1980s and ‘90s, career experts say.

“They come in with very high expectations,” said Tim Irwin, a corporate
psychologist and author. “Their parents have told them from the moment
they were born that they were special. These Gen Y’ers believe it. The
thought of having to pay dues for a long time to get into a corner
office is kind of jarring to them.”

That sense of entitlement needs to be left at home, said Nicholas
Aretakis, a career coach specializing in college students, recent grads
and twentysomethings. He wrote No More Ramen: The 20-something’s Real
World Survival Guide.

“They don’t like having normal and meetings. They get frustrated with
getting the less glamorous assignments and more menial tasks," he said.
"Most of them are really surprised that you don't get much vacation
time."

That attitude has led some managers to start looking elsewhere. Gregory
Jones, CEO of Hubbard Systems, in Inverness, Ala., hires college
graduates from the U.S. and from India for his software development
company.

The differences between the two groups concern him.

"The students here definitely do not have the drive," Jones said. "They
have never been held to a standard. When they enter the work force,
there is surprise that deadlines must be met. They think we are going
to be an extended family. We are not. That is a very hard issue for
them to get over."

Their co-workers from India are another story, he said.

"There is a great hunger from Indian programmers," he said.

"There is a very strong desire to do well. They are very competitive."

Jones said he blames parents and a flawed educational system for
producing workers without a sense of responsibility, accountability or
commitment.

"Companies who can, like ours, will choose not to manage them and bring
in people from another country," he said. "I feel sorry for the retail
end of the country because they have to hire them."


'All about me'

Bridgett Jones Short, owner of Jucos, a beauty salon in Inverness,
falls into that category. She has been in the business 24 years and has
concerns about younger employees.

"This generation is all about 'me.' Money is not a huge problem because
it seems like parents subsidize their income," Short said. "They don't
feel like they have to work very hard. They think the grass is always
greener. It is not about dedication. If they were to get off at 6, they
get off at 6."

Parents have the ability to change that, Short said. She uses Jordan
Corley, a 20-year-old stylist, as an example of what happens when the
talent of Gen Y combines with good attitude and good upbringing.

"Jordan is the exception. She is very accommodating. She goes the extra
mile, and she has an excellent work ethic," Short said.

Corley said she is focused on her goal of starting her own business.

"Eventually I want to own my own salon," she said. "I am staying in one
place for the experience. I want to learn the business."

That's the catch of this generation. They can be extremely bright with
self-confidence and energy, said Irwin, who wrote Run With the Bulls
Without Getting Trampled.

Technology is like breathing to them, he said.

"I think they are going to be one of the most creative and productive
generations in history," Irwin said. "I am predicting great things, and
smart companies are going to be hiring the best of them."

Young workers will stay at a company if they are getting the challenges
and opportunities for growth. That is why Anthony Oni, a 27-year-old
community development specialist for Alabama Power Co., said he has had
one job since college.

But he has watched other friends switch from job to job.

"They want to build multiple experiences to move forward. They think a
broad base is important," Oni said. "Another reason they leave is
lifestyle. I have a couple of friends who moved to different places
because the city offered a different lifestyle."

His friend Brandon Wilson, 27, is on his fourth job since graduation.
He now works at O2 Ideas, a Birmingham public relations and advertising
agency.

"For the 76 million or so Gen Y'ers in the world, we are trying to find
our place in the business community. Sometimes it doesn't always happen
the first time," he said. "Young people are graduating college and
exploring and finding their niche in a community and taking advantage
of great opportunities. This may be confused with impatience."


Opportunities to advance

Jay Carr, 27, knows people his age are not always perceived as
dedicated and self-motivated. But the Alabama Power Co. engineer
believes they do have the opportunity to advance faster than previous
generations because technology allows them to process a job more
quickly. They just need to be aware that everybody graduating from
college with them will have the same resources, he said.

"I definitely think parents need to be positive and encouraging because
there is so much opportunity out there," he said. "But it still comes
down to hard work and perseverance."


Brought to you by the HoustonChronicle.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

FlyerJosh 09-18-2007 09:57 AM

It's not surprising to me. I'm a gen-X'er (tail end), and can see the difference between even people my age and people coming out into the work force right now.

Slice 09-18-2007 10:49 PM

Yes and they expect an airline job without working towards it for more than 90 days.

schwanm 09-19-2007 01:42 AM

It is true, all this has made it all the more difficult for genuine hard working gen-y people to get a job without being stereotyped as being a lazy "I want it all and I want it now" type.

SkyHigh 09-19-2007 05:00 AM

Yea
 

Originally Posted by Slice (Post 232968)
Yes and they expect an airline job without working towards it for more than 90 days.

Seems like they are getting hired at the regionals after 90 days.

SkyHigh

FlyerJosh 09-19-2007 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 233006)
Seems like they are getting hired at the regionals after 90 days.

SkyHigh


Sure. Somebody could get hired on with a regional after 90 days of flight training. Provided that they trained every day for at least 2.75 hours of flying and did absolutely perfect on every lesson and didn't have any weather delays or issues scheduling aircraft/checkrides, etc.

But you show me one person that's made it zero time to hired with a US 121 regional in 90 days, and I'll buy you dinner at a nice steakhouse of your choosing.

LAfrequentflyer 09-19-2007 05:39 AM

According to ALLATPS web page its more like 6-9 months from 0 to 121 FO.

I read in Microtrends that more Americans have filed for bankrupcies than have 4 year college degrees.

Do you guys think law school would be a good investment?

-LAFF

tomgoodman 09-19-2007 06:46 AM

Deja Vu?
 

Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer (Post 232512)
Do 20-somethings expect the world on a silver platter?

If so, it wouldn't be the first time this has happened. Unrealistic expectations usually accompany a prosperous era, as in the "Roaring '20s". The problem is self-correcting, but only through bitter experience. Many people tend to disregard "caution and warning lights", feeling that what is "unfair" just can't happen.

LAfrequentflyer 09-19-2007 08:10 AM

I can see your point...I see a lot of my generation killing themselves w/ debt...

But thats another story...


-LAFF

rickair7777 09-19-2007 01:16 PM

Get used to it. The boomers are just entering their retirement window, and the younger generations are less numerous. Employees will be in increasing demand, especially for anything remotely professional.

The post- 9/11 baby surge won't hit the streets for another 15+ years.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:21 AM.


User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Website Copyright ©2000 - 2017 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands