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Old 08-22-2009, 08:34 AM
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Obama to raise 10-year deficit to $9 trillion | U.S. | Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration will raise its 10-year budget deficit projection to approximately $9 trillion from $7.108 trillion in a report next week, a senior administration official told Reuters on Friday.
The higher deficit figure, based on updated economic data, brings the White House budget office into line with outside estimates and gives further fuel to President Barack Obama's opponents, who say his spending plans are too expensive in light of budget shortfalls.
The White House took heat for sticking with its $7.108 trillion forecast earlier this year after the Congressional Budget Office forecast that deficits between 2010 and 2019 would total $9.1 trillion.
"The new forecasts are based on new data that reflect how severe the economic downturn was in the late fall of last year and the winter of this year," said the administration official, who is familiar with the budget mid-session review that is slated to be released next week.
"Our budget projections are now in line with the spring and summer projections that the Congressional Budget Office put out."
The White House budget office will also lower its deficit forecast for this fiscal year, which ends September 30, to $1.58 trillion from $1.84 trillion next week after removing $250 billion set aside for bank bailouts.
Record-breaking deficits have raised concerns about America's ability to finance its debt and whether the United States can maintain its top-tier AAA credit rating.
Politically, the deficit has been an albatross for Obama, a Democrat who is pushing forward with plans to overhaul the U.S. healthcare industry -- an initiative that could cost up to $1 trillion over 10 years -- and other promises, including reforming education and how the country handles energy.
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Republicans have pounced on Obama for planning to spend too much when deficits are so high, and the issue is likely to loom large in next year's Congressional elections.
Obama, who has promised to halve the deficit by the end of his four-year term and likes to remind constituents he inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit from former President George W. Bush, says bringing down healthcare costs is critical to long-term deficit reduction.
Treasury markets have been worried all year about the mounting deficit. The United States relies on large foreign buyers such as China and Japan to cheaply finance its debt, and they may demand higher interest rates if they begin to doubt that the government can control its deficits.
"It's one of those underlying pieces of news that is liable to haunt the bond market at some point in the future," said Kim Rupert, managing director of global fixed income analysis at Action Economics LLC in San Francisco, referring to the revised 10-year deficit projection.
Many economists think it is unlikely the government can curtail spending, which means taxes would have to go up to cover the rising costs of providing retirement and healthcare benefits to aging Americans.
Higher taxes, which could slow economic growth, are also a major concern of voters on both sides of the political divide. Obama has promised not to raise taxes on Americans making less than $250,000 a year.
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Old 08-22-2009, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle View Post
There is a lot of talk about the amount of US debt the Chinese hold, but in the big picture they are small fry. The US taxpayer has been sadled with most of our debt.
Excellent point. The common talking point is China this, China that. The Fed and other govt agencies hold about ~50% of all treasuries, roughly twice the amount of what ALL foreign holders possess (~27%?). China and Japan are roughly equal (<5% diff.) with about half each of the total share of foreign debt holders.

Although a scary scenario, one country unilaterally "calling" its debt is unlikely. There is a global economy out there. Using China for an example, why would they want to hammer the nation that is their biggest export market? All the junk that we buy at Wal Mart and Target is not made here, folks. Simplistic example, I know, but I also like electronic toys, and the vast majority of that is built overseas. Your c-phone may be a Nokia, nominally a Finnish company, but obviously a lot of its components are built in Asia. A doomsday scenario like that would be extraordinarily complex and difficult to model and predict, since there are so many global variables to ponder.

Having said all that, I think economic warfare with China is far more likely than military warfare.
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