Re-Think Pilot Pay
08-07-2009, 05:31 AM
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Re-Think Pilot Pay
Let's get serious and think how to raise pilot pay. $23 and hour up to $175/hr for a senior cargo captain is dumb. Folks in corporate America, ex. 46 year old project manger makes $175k plus bonus, another project manager with a 2 year degree makes $110K. Now these folks do put in 60+ hours a week but it is laid back type of work. Now for lawyers, there's more lawyers than you can shake a stick and every year they crank out more. In my HS graduate class of 300 in a blue collar town at least four became lawyers Lawyers back in 1994 charged $150/hr, rates are now $250-400/hr. There are millions of lawyers and only about 150,000 ATP's in the USA.
Lets engage in some critical thinking here.
Perhaps we need a day or days of a national pilot strike. Take us for granted and they can take the bus from JFK to LAX.
Perhaps pilots should not be direct employes but work through agencies on a contract basis. I have know of people who have done this in the IT field and they have doubled their take home pay.
Lets engage in some critical thinking here.
Perhaps we need a day or days of a national pilot strike. Take us for granted and they can take the bus from JFK to LAX.
Perhaps pilots should not be direct employes but work through agencies on a contract basis. I have know of people who have done this in the IT field and they have doubled their take home pay.
08-07-2009, 05:14 PM
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Folks in corporate America, ex. 46 year old project manger makes $175k plus bonus, another project manager with a 2 year degree makes $110K.
08-08-2009, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SayAgain
How many are responsible for 50 - 200 lives at a time, and a multi-million dollar airplane?
08-18-2009, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AirbusA320
Folks in corporate America, ex. 46 year old project manger makes $175k plus bonus, another project manager with a 2 year degree makes $110K. Now these folks do put in 60+ hours a week but it is laid back type of work.
Originally Posted by AirbusA320
Now for lawyers, there's more lawyers than you can shake a stick and every year they crank out more. In my HS graduate class of 300 in a blue collar town at least four became lawyers Lawyers back in 1994 charged $150/hr, rates are now $250-400/hr. There are millions of lawyers and only about 150,000 ATP's in the USA.
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08-18-2009, 05:37 PM
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UFGator is correct.
The real world is vastly different from aviation. We might get unlucky and have to work with a difficult co-worker, but that is not the norm for most of us. In corporate America, your bonus, job tasking, promotion opportunities, and your job itself are on the line every day.
In aviation, we worry about having bad luck...in the corporate world you can also have bad luck, but you are usually more worried about the co-worker who is actually out to get you. HIS promotion depends on him being seen as better than you. Iif he's not better than, he can always try to make it appear as though he is...by making you look bad
This is the daily norm, and I'm glad to be done with it. I don't like screwing other people, and sure don't like it when they try to screw me. But to climb the ladder, you have to be OK with that.
They get paid what their job is worth because it is largely unpleasant, and nobody would do it otherwise.
In aviation we have some problems...
1. The job is considered prestigious, with a perception of high earnings.
2. It is easy to get into.
3. It is actually enjoyable at times.
4. The lifestyle can be good.
This means that young people will be attracted to the job, they can get into it easily, and once there the QOL is often enough to keep them, even though the pay is actually much lower than they expected.
The available pool of wannabees keeps wage pressure on those already in the industry.
The factors that can really be influenced are perception and entry-barriers. Public perception takes a LOOONG time to change, probably not in our lifetimes. But entry barriers might be coming up as lenders are now reluctant to finance $100K in loans to train for a $20K job, and the ATP requirement might be a reality.
Well we could also make the QOL poor, but nobody wants THAT.
The real world is vastly different from aviation. We might get unlucky and have to work with a difficult co-worker, but that is not the norm for most of us. In corporate America, your bonus, job tasking, promotion opportunities, and your job itself are on the line every day.
In aviation, we worry about having bad luck...in the corporate world you can also have bad luck, but you are usually more worried about the co-worker who is actually out to get you. HIS promotion depends on him being seen as better than you. Iif he's not better than, he can always try to make it appear as though he is...by making you look bad
This is the daily norm, and I'm glad to be done with it. I don't like screwing other people, and sure don't like it when they try to screw me. But to climb the ladder, you have to be OK with that.They get paid what their job is worth because it is largely unpleasant, and nobody would do it otherwise.
In aviation we have some problems...
1. The job is considered prestigious, with a perception of high earnings.
2. It is easy to get into.
3. It is actually enjoyable at times.
4. The lifestyle can be good.
This means that young people will be attracted to the job, they can get into it easily, and once there the QOL is often enough to keep them, even though the pay is actually much lower than they expected.
The available pool of wannabees keeps wage pressure on those already in the industry.
The factors that can really be influenced are perception and entry-barriers. Public perception takes a LOOONG time to change, probably not in our lifetimes. But entry barriers might be coming up as lenders are now reluctant to finance $100K in loans to train for a $20K job, and the ATP requirement might be a reality.
Well we could also make the QOL poor, but nobody wants THAT.
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