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Old 03-25-2012, 07:03 PM
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Those areas where homicide rates are high are places like Chicago, DC, and New York where owning a gun legally is almost impossible.
Owning a gun legally is also almost impossible in those countries I mentioned. Yet, they all have lower rates of homicide than the United States. Arguing that making gun ownership more difficult leads to higher rates of homicide is not supported by gun laws in many other western countries. Maybe there's another problem here. Maybe there's a more rational reason why Americans tend to shoot each other more often than so many other developed, western nations.

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I don't know if every state lists their crime stats, but in Texas they do. They have break downs of all crime ranging from petty theft to rape and murder by gender, age, and ethnicity. People that have a concealed handgun license commit less than 1/10th of 1% of all crimes in the state of Texas. I'm sure those stats are going to be the same throughout the country. The counties in Texas that have the highest percentage of their population that have a CHL have the lowest crime rates, and the counties with the lowest percentage of CHL holders have the highest crime rates. But, if you are a part of the anti gun side facts like these don't seem to matter to you.
Should it be a surprise that people with a concealed handgun license are not responsible for the high rates of homicide? I don't think so. If you have the license, you are follwing procedure and are a law-abiding citizen. It makes sense that those who are LEGALLY licensed do less ILLEGAL stuff. However, people without guns at all are producing less homicides in western Europe, Canada, Japan and Austrailia than people in the United States that hold a concealed handgun license. Go figure.
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It is sad, but one particular demographic in the US it what propels our rate up, absent that demographic we have one of the lowest violent crime rates worldwide.
Laws have almost nothing to do with this, it is purely cultural. The Swiss don't do drive by, yet almost every adult male owns an automatic rifle.
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I thought this was enlightening wrt the Zimmerman/Martin issue. Floored me when I saw it this morning.

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Both tyrant and oligarch wish to disarm the citizen.
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Old 03-26-2012, 08:17 PM
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Both tyrant and oligarch wish to disarm the citizen.
That always makes things easier, if history is any guide.
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I prefer to be a citizen, not a subject.
As to the original post, it was a discussion of economics that veered off to gun control, which isn't about guns but about control. I do not wish to be controlled.
(jungle, through in a good ayn rand quote here, I'm tired and off to bed.)
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It is sad, but one particular demographic in the US it what propels our rate up, absent that demographic we have one of the lowest violent crime rates worldwide.
Damn homiciders !

Absent all the murders, our crime rate looks pretty good!
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I prefer to be a citizen, not a subject.
As to the original post, it was a discussion of economics that veered off to gun control, which isn't about guns but about control. I do not wish to be controlled.
(jungle, through in a good ayn rand quote here, I'm tired and off to bed.)
It's called libertarianism. Welcome!
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Originally Posted by Dark Knight View Post
I prefer to be a citizen, not a subject.
As to the original post, it was a discussion of economics that veered off to gun control, which isn't about guns but about control. I do not wish to be controlled.
(jungle, through in a good ayn rand quote here, I'm tired and off to bed.)
Kostoyed Amourski: "I am the only free man on this train! And the rest of you are cattle!" (Dr. Zhivago, Boris Pasternak)

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