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Pielut 03-08-2013 07:34 AM


My father was a plumber, and I have encouraged kids to look at the trades from time to time. This country would be better off if the trades were valued instead of looked down upon.

The funny thing is the jerk in the suit who thinks he is hot stuff does not know the guy fitting pipes on the side of the road makes more money than he does. A middle manager whipping paper and making spreadsheets is looked upon as more respectable, I think that is just stupid. There are layoffs in every sector (ie furlough), I watched half my office get let go a few years ago, the only reason I survived is I was the only who did what I did. Whatever they do they need to specialize, the world does not need another kid with a liberal arts degree. If they go to college they should look at engineering, healthcare or some other specialty to be competitive. I have a 2 year old son and I often wonder what options will be available to him.

LowSlowT2 03-08-2013 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by 742Dash (Post 1367514)
So what career avice do you give a 16 year old? It is fine to say that there are no guarantees, which is true, but we ought to be able to tell them that there is oppertunity. And right now there is not a lot of the latter. From teaching to law to business you find former high performing students stocking shelves.

I would tell them this: (in fact, I had typed out a longer reply originally that included trade stuff)

Originally Posted by Pielut (Post 1367565)
See if they may be interested in learning a trade. I have a friend I grew up with that did not have the money for college and became an electrical apprentice. He is now a union electrician making a very solid $80-100K a year. He paid some dues but he said it was worth it. The trades need new workers. We are quickly approaching the undergrad degree being worthless. With a trade position you actually learn skills you can use for a lifetime.


MD11 03-13-2013 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by 742Dash (Post 1367582)
My father was a plumber, and I have encouraged kids to look at the trades from time to time. This country would be better off if the trades were valued instead of looked down upon.

Below is a very good book that I think many young folks should read. It speaks to the very subject of how important trades are and also how they looked down upon. It's an inspiring book and may help one to understand and be proud of working with your hands.
It also speaks about our youth's narcisism and over inflated ego's... mainly the ones graduating college.

Shop Class as Soulcraft

by Matthew B. Crawford

Excerpt: “The Case for Working with Your Hands”
—The New York Times Magazine
“Shop Class as Soulcraft is a beautiful little book about human excellence and the way it is undervalued in contemporary America.”
—Francis Fukuyama, New York Times Book Review
“Matt Crawford’s remarkable book on the morality and metaphysics of the repairman looks into the reality of practical activity. It is a superb combination of testimony and reflection, and you can’t put it down.”
—Harvey Mansfield, Professor of Government, Harvard University

LowSlowT2 03-13-2013 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by MD11 (Post 1371523)
Below is a very good book that I think many young folks should read.

Shop Class as Soulcraft

by Matthew B. Crawford

I will second this. Excellent book!


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