NetJets Hiring Process
03-29-2019, 09:31 PM
#111
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NetJets Hiring Process
Originally Posted by MWilliams
There is a class of 5 that starts on Monday. Another class will be held in May. Pilot recruiting is still actively doing phone, Skype and face to face interviews.
While that is not the big numbers that everybody wants, the door is still open. The IBI did reduce the number of pilots needed, however it is my belief that the possible change in the recurrent training footprint has more to do with the smaller classes. (AQP and a 9 month cycle?) Add to that the average age of the NetJets pilot group is about 55 and you can see the need for about 100 new hires a year starting in 2020 to keep our current flying staffed. Management is saying we will grow to 500 aircraft, if (a big if) that happens then that number will go up.
While that is not the big numbers that everybody wants, the door is still open. The IBI did reduce the number of pilots needed, however it is my belief that the possible change in the recurrent training footprint has more to do with the smaller classes. (AQP and a 9 month cycle?) Add to that the average age of the NetJets pilot group is about 55 and you can see the need for about 100 new hires a year starting in 2020 to keep our current flying staffed. Management is saying we will grow to 500 aircraft, if (a big if) that happens then that number will go up.
Well, at least there is someone drinking the Kool Aid
03-30-2019, 03:44 AM
#113
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Since the membership passed the contract amendment a few months ago, hiring has virtually stopped. You see, the entire goal of the IBI was to reduce overall pilot headcount by encouraging the pilots on property to fly more (the same goal as the 2015 contract). Both contracts succeeded in that aim.
Since late 2015, the seniority list has shrunk from nearly 2800 pilots to around 2450 while the number of aircraft on property has grown by about 50. The “Crew Choice” schedules increased the number of pilot-days available and the Flight Duty Pay Program stimulated the pilots on the schedule to actually FLY (fatigue calls have dropped 51%; and that number is DIRECTLY from a senior manager).
Consequently, the need for more pilots in the near term has been substantially reduced. Hiring will occur in drips here and there until the demographic tsunami (or a much-needed mandatory retirement age) leaves NetJets with a true pilot shortage.
All in all, very well played by our management. So far.
Since late 2015, the seniority list has shrunk from nearly 2800 pilots to around 2450 while the number of aircraft on property has grown by about 50. The “Crew Choice” schedules increased the number of pilot-days available and the Flight Duty Pay Program stimulated the pilots on the schedule to actually FLY (fatigue calls have dropped 51%; and that number is DIRECTLY from a senior manager).
Consequently, the need for more pilots in the near term has been substantially reduced. Hiring will occur in drips here and there until the demographic tsunami (or a much-needed mandatory retirement age) leaves NetJets with a true pilot shortage.
All in all, very well played by our management. So far.
It was very well played. I can only imagine how this will play out during the next contract battle when fatigues and mx write ups go back to normal.
03-30-2019, 04:30 AM
#114
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Originally Posted by howardhughes8
Well, at least there is someone drinking the Kool Aid
If you look back at what I wrote you will see that I’m not “drinking the Kool Aid.” Everything depends on if, and it’s a big if, management follows through with what they are saying.
03-30-2019, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by OhSnapAF
A class of 5 won’t cover attrition...
03-30-2019, 04:39 AM
#116
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
A class of FIVE.
Like I said, there will be drips of hiring here and there. But the overall pilot list will shrink more over the next year, probably to the 2400 ish mark. If all the pilots on long term medical leave and/or over the age of 70 were suddenly removed, we’d be UNDER 2400 total pilots.
CBA 2015 and IBI 2018 produced EXACTLY the results the company wanted.
Like I said, there will be drips of hiring here and there. But the overall pilot list will shrink more over the next year, probably to the 2400 ish mark. If all the pilots on long term medical leave and/or over the age of 70 were suddenly removed, we’d be UNDER 2400 total pilots.
CBA 2015 and IBI 2018 produced EXACTLY the results the company wanted.
03-30-2019, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Finny McCool
Man, with the way NetJets schedules people must be killing themselves to make a few extra bucks.
03-30-2019, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons
You'd be surprised at what happens to schedule stability, when the 5%ers that cause 95% of the problems start showing up and actually do their jobs. Life has been much easier making it day after day on Plan A. Just show up, do your trips, go to the hotel.
Dude you are what’s wrong with NetJets and NetJets Pilots. You chastise the pilots that refuse to fly demolished and beaten. Stop using the phrase “do their jobs” to fuel the narrative that fatiguing pilots are lazy. Pilots that don’t fatigue and take the suck are far more damaging. You not seeing how you perpetuate the lack of real pay and work rules at NetJets blows my freaking mind.
Last edited by OhSnapAF; 03-30-2019 at 05:58 AM.
03-30-2019, 06:31 AM
#120
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Let's not pretend that there aren't people who were way on the left side of the flight hour bell curve, doing anything and everything to get out of flying. Those are the 5%ers to which I'm referring. Those are the people that contributed to us working our butts off to cover the wrenches they threw into the system. Your outdated experience is leading to your irrelevant opinion.
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