Das Auto

I can. Some people take the time to post relevant and current information only for a disgruntled former employee to come on here and write a bunch of nonsense.

A guy could argue that your company, Alaska flies MD80s because they did when he worked there. Stop living in the past, and "stay in your lane bro."

FracCracka

You’re not entirely wrong. I just hope rather than bend, we walk away and extend the status quo ourselves if things don’t go our way. I’ve flown with many of the newer hires and a vast majority of them are cultivating options.

A mass exodus would be great, as would that new applicant levee being dry. A few months of delivered aircraft sitting on the ramp will bring them to the table on our terms.

I’ll be retired before I can enjoy the fruits of this one, but I’m going to fight just as hard. Hoping my slide request allows me to attend PBI but I think we know how this is going to go.

Deserthusker

I think there are some people that may be chasing the fdp and may be edging towards being fatigued and not calling out. I think that number is small. I think the reduction had more to do with people that knew they were going to fatigue on a tour before they started because they could. Now they work a normal day which causes less recoveries which makes everything more proficient. The problem is now the company is relying on that proficiency all the time. I would like to see if fatigue calls are trending up again because people are sick of it.

Yea ok lol. You didn't work at NJA pre FDP.

There is a defining measurement of fatigue calls pre FDP and post FDP. Are you saying that the pilot group pre FDP is unprofessional?

Saying this when you didn’t work at NJA post FDP? Are you saying the pilot group post fdp is unprofessional?

C2078

How does anyone think things got to this point at NJ? You are seeing the result of IBBs, not addressing the entire CBA, putting band aids or ignoring many problems only for money and especially Union leadership getting way too cozy with management. The EB is practically part of management. They have given them a finger and the company has taken the entire arm. You are seeing the consequences. Should be no surprise at all.

AntiPeter

The way NJASAP has treated it’s dissenters in the past…the way they are still treated….ugh.

I only hope their management loving E-Board and their management benefiting IBB processes benefits the pilots for once.

Much like many modern day safety incidents, this is a pilot induced problem.

You can’t get an adequate contract when Pedro is your leader. You can’t get a good contract when you use the IBB process.

The minute FDPP started you sold your soul to the devil, and management knows it. You don’t respect yourselves, why should management?

My buddies frequently fly tired and hungry, “but look at how much money I earned”.

Good pilots in what should be the best job in the industry. But you sold your souls to the devil, your union leadership encouraged you ever step of the way and forced the real unionists back to the airlines.

jtf560

I'm not a big fan of the beat any dissenter down effort that often comes from many former and current union volunteers. I also believe that the company had more to give in each of our last 3 contracts, but I'm not sure that any union leader could have accomplished getting it. Overall, I'm happy with our current leadership. This union leadership has consistently polled the membership and then acted on the membership sentiment. That doesn't mean that they have followed my suggestions most of the time. The masses have been happy until lately to live under the IBBs and the friendly relationship with management. More recently the membership told the leadership to be more aggressive after starting to burn out and finally coming to the conclusion that management isn't doing anything to solve our problems on the road and we are being left behind on the pay front. More pilots are realizing that the FDP model is way too unfair as fleets that used to get a lot more got less as they went through refurbishment (Phenoms) and engine part availability (Latitudes and Sovereigns). It is all culminating in an angry group and now leadership is going full aggressive. Any "cozy" relationship with management was simply playing nice and following the will of the majority. Anyone who believes union leadership is "cozy" and playing nice now is severely delusional. While I don't always agree with out leadership's choices, I have to respect the fact that they do listen to the masses and not just those that speak or type the loudest. It takes time to move the majority and now that the majority has moved, so is leadership. Management is getting scared and and is very unhappy with the union now.

C2078

I am sure Management is trembling.

jtf560

They locked out all the dispatchers for a day when Berkshire came to visit since they were all wearing union lanyards. They are also now directly lying to the pilots in recurrent and getting caught and now some are walking out before questions can be asked. Even the CEO hasn't shown his face for quite some time. My best guess is that there will be some spending more time with families for some of those that aren't on the seniority list anymore and others going back to the line when Berkshire itself starts getting embarrassed and put on the spot by the union and angry customers who aren't getting what they paid for. Exactly as what has happened most times that the union and management were butting heads. You can believe what you want, but we will all see how this unfolds.

MinRest

I am not wrong in my statement in any percentage. You guys are 100% not in section 6 negotiations and 100% the company can, at will, extend status quo the second they feel like it.

MinRest

For anyone to act like this wasn't managements motive, is absolutely crazy.

FDP didn't fix scheduling, it didn't fix crew meals, it didn't provide better QOL, it didn't provide longer overnights. The ONLY thing it did was shove more money at you to fly longer than you normally would have, or accept another leg that you normally wouldn't have. And it worked. It is what it is, we all do lots of things for money we probably wouldn't do, but when the incentive to not fatigue is there because you are taking several hundred dollars out of your paycheck, don't tell me this wasn't to solve a host of issues, not the least of which is productivity out of the current pilot group,