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Old 09-18-2019, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver View Post
All I know is, after the hump job scheduling dropped on us this tour and the absolute goat rope today, I can't wait to quit this friggin job. Problem is, I'm in that demographic no-man's-land that is too old to leave for an airline and too young to retire. For the LIFE of me, I don't get these 70+ fossils that continue to put up with this crap and refuse to pull the plug. Truly mind-boggling.

Keep selling your balloons and ponies John. Someday, somebody might believe you.
Most tours are as hard as you make them in my experience. The tools are there... you just need to use them.

Oh, and the August attrition list shows NJA hired more than it lost. Another hole in your theory.

In the midst of the largest pilot shortage ever and you canít quit NJA (cause you admittedly donít like it)... you must be hard to hire or NJA is THAT good you canít replace what it offers.

I canít imagine hating a place I worked so much yet begrudgingly having to feel somewhat thankful every two weeks when the deposit is made flawlessly into checking.

Even on 7n7, thatís half of your life being spent hating. 😔
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver View Post
All I know is, after the hump job scheduling dropped on us this tour and the absolute goat rope today, I can't wait to quit this friggin job. Problem is, I'm in that demographic no-man's-land that is too old to leave for an airline and too young to retire. For the LIFE of me, I don't get these 70+ fossils that continue to put up with this crap and refuse to pull the plug. Truly mind-boggling.



Keep selling your balloons and ponies John. Someday, somebody might believe you.


Did you apply to the majors and legacy carriers? SWA, NK, B6, Frontier, Allegiant, are hiring plenty guys from Fractionals. Yes much less money the first year but after that youíre golden and will get the little flying-all-time-home life youíre seeking where scheduling doesnít try to throw curved balls at you (because that only exists at NJA of course). You need to apply before knowing if you hire-able or not.

I never understand people who hate a place so much their lives on the job is miserable, but donít leave and find all excuses not to leave.

But why donít you explain what is the ďgoat ropeĒ of a schedule you got assigned ?

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Old 09-18-2019, 08:39 AM
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His windows has pretty much closed. Like he said, too old to make a move and too young to retire. He not only is a very professional pilot, extremely qualified, he is a very good dude who if 10 years younger would have no problem getting hired by the Legacies. He actually liked a lot working for NJI, but has clearly seen the complete degradation in every way with the integration. Unfortunately for him, NJI was a once in a lifetime type job, lots of perks and personal relationships, it all came to a screeching halt with the integration.
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Old 09-18-2019, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver View Post
All I know is, after the hump job scheduling dropped on us this tour and the absolute goat rope today, I can't wait to quit this friggin job. Problem is, I'm in that demographic no-man's-land that is too old to leave for an airline and too young to retire. For the LIFE of me, I don't get these 70+ fossils that continue to put up with this crap and refuse to pull the plug. Truly mind-boggling.

Keep selling your balloons and ponies John. Someday, somebody might believe you.
Man I have no idea about your age nor do I know about your financial and family responsibilities but I would say if you can pull it off try to get out now rather than later. Like I have said before I have NEVER run into a former NJ pilot that wished he was back at NJ, they all say they should have made the jump earlier. This includes guys that were there 15-20 years and guys that were there only 5 years or less.

Your blood pressure will thank you once you leave...will drop 20 points the day you send back your tether(iPhone).
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Old 09-18-2019, 09:11 AM
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Sometimes when I read these threads I wonder if I fly for a different company, Iím an FO on the XL who genuinely enjoys the job, who flies with guys and girls who for the most part feel the same, Iíve flown 121 and I groove on that too, this is not me comparing us with the airlines, apples, and oranges anyway. But the misery, and the hatred, of some of these posters blows me away, please listen to everyone saying leave, if you are that desperately unhappy nothing good can come of you staying here. God bless, and cheers, I hope you make the right choice for your emotional, and physical health. Itís probably not as late as you think.
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Old 09-18-2019, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 727C47 View Post
Sometimes when I read these threads I wonder if I fly for a different company, Iím an FO on the XL who genuinely enjoys the job, who flies with guys and girls who for the most part feel the same, Iíve flown 121 and I groove on that too, this is not me comparing us with the airlines, apples, and oranges anyway. But the misery, and the hatred, of some of these posters blows me away, please listen to everyone saying leave, if you are that desperately unhappy nothing good can come of you staying here. God bless, and cheers, I hope you make the right choice for your emotional, and physical health. Itís probably not as late as you think.
Amen to this. There are so many bitter and angry pilots regardless of company. I wonder why they stay flying. I am not with Net but I did just leave the 121 world for fractional. 121 just wasn't for me.
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pursue45 View Post
Amen to this. There are so many bitter and angry pilots regardless of company. I wonder why they stay flying. I am not with Net but I did just leave the 121 world for fractional. 121 just wasn't for me.

121 wasn't for you as in you traded in a regional for frac I assume. Not a very good comparison, but if you're happy thats all that matters.
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:34 PM
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121 wasn't for you as in you traded in a regional for frac I assume. Not a very good comparison, but if you're happy thats all that matters.
Why not a good comparison? A 121 is a 121 no? regional or not, and as off today there are about 20,600 regional pilots, pretty good representation of the 121 world and life in my opinion.
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Old 09-18-2019, 07:38 PM
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Why not a good comparison? A 121 is a 121 no? regional or not, and as off today there are about 20,600 regional pilots, pretty good representation of the 121 world and life in my opinion.
Having flown all three (regional, NJ and major) its actually a horrible comparison. Have you flown all three to back up your statement?
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Old 09-19-2019, 10:15 AM
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Having flown all three (regional, NJ and major) its actually a horrible comparison. Have you flown all three to back up your statement?
His statement is just plain dumb. I too have done all 3, you can compare NJ to a big 6, but definitely not a Regional. A 121 job is not the same across the board. Having been in those exact shoes, NJ as a CAPTAIN is an attractive alternative to a big 6, no doubt. As a junior FO, not so much. When you look at a job, multiple factors come into play, obviously money plays a big part. If you are all about money and donít care much about much else, NJ might be better short to medium term as the CC schedules combined with FDP provide a good chunk of change, again, for Captains. If you care about flexible schedule, being home more, robust retirement plans, AND money, then big 6 provide better options, IMO, although with 4 weeks vacation on 7/7 and some PTOís to use NJ is still attractive, no doubt. But for the people who want to make money AND be home more, plan around events, schedule sensitive, the big 6 wins out easily IMO. For some people moving is not an option, completely understandable, but living in base with a big 6 is hands down the ABSOLUTE BEST job in the world!! I I am averaging 20+ nights at home, with many days doing out and backs, that means I see my family almost every day. No job is perfect, no doubt, but some jobs are better than others for different reasons. For example, the guy who lives in Boise, or Jackson or Middle of nowhere, NJ is a real nice option. Different flavors for different people.

Money wise, we have to compare Apples to Apples. Letís say I was willing to work CC72 (18 days a month), base is $204k. Add about 20 hours of FDP per month (realistically), thatís $2,300 extra, $1,500 in straight pay, rest to 401k. Thatís $17k + $1.5, so $18k/month. I currently work about 10 days in a 28 day bid period. If I worked the equivalent, say 16 days (in 28), I would break 100 hours credit by day 14-15, at $186/hr, you see where I am going with this. Plus my days are almost always 2 legs, almost never more than 10 hours duty. And this is only at 2nd year pay as an FO 😱. Upgrade running about 6-7 years, you throw in $320/hr and then it becomes stupid comparison.

So for the Johns out there, yes, you can definitely make money at NJ, but you most definitely have to work it and earn it.
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