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DH2time 11-06-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Retractable (Post 2919164)
You’re right about one thing...

They don’t like him.

I think I’m pretty ok on both sides of the aisle though.

No you ain’t. Call the SOD and ask him. Then call Eric ADO and ask him. Maybe they can shake you back into reality.

jtf560 11-06-2019 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OhSnapAF (Post 2919135)
It’s not meaningless when the company knew what staffing levels it needed In 2015, until the CC schedules came out which reduced that need. Further reducing that need is the new “pay to fly tired” FDP. It’s silly to look at airplanes and staffing levels and ignoring the direct correlation of fleet increases, and staffing level reduction and not believe that CBA2015 and the latest extension isn’t directly to blame.

Much of what you say is true, bit then you had to say Pay to fly tired. That isn't how it works now. Things are different than when you were here. Happier pilots are more motivated (by $$$) to care enough to get good rest. When you were here many didn't care and fatigued often. There were some blatant fatigue calls, though not many, and a lot of people may not have been motivated enough to not watch the end of a game or a good movie that shortened their rest unnecessarily. The average overnight was also almost an hour less than now due to previously unmotivated pilots finding proper rest to fulfil their briefs now and better scheduling practices overall. There is definitely room for improvement on the scheduling side and it will get intersting this winter with leaned out pilot to airplane ratios, but I really haven't seen guys pushing it any more than they did before. Hopefully this will remain true, but like I said, it will be interesting this winter.

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Flyfalcons 11-06-2019 11:54 AM

Not to mention we aren't getting beat up with schedule changes during the day nearly as much as we used to. My average rest period is definitely higher than it used to be.

OhSnapAF 11-06-2019 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jtf560 (Post 2919183)
Much of what you say is true, bit then you had to say Pay to fly tired. That isn't how it works now. Things are different than when you were here. Happier pilots are more motivated (by $$$) to care enough to get good rest. When you were here many didn't care and fatigued often. There were some blatant fatigue calls, though not many, and a lot of people may not have been motivated enough to not watch the end of a game or a good movie that shortened their rest unnecessarily. The average overnight was also almost an hour less than now due to previously unmotivated pilots finding proper rest to fulfil their briefs now and better scheduling practices overall. There is definitely room for improvement on the scheduling side and it will get intersting this winter with leaned out pilot to airplane ratios, but I really haven't seen guys pushing it any more than they did before. Hopefully this will remain true, but like I said, it will be interesting this winter.

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The money isn’t motivating people to get more rest, that is super silly. It’s motivating people to move their fatigue threshold. What was once prior worth fatiguing, might not be now because of extra money. Saying that it’s causing people to fly tired might be harsh, but it certainly isn’t causing people to somehow get better sleep at night.

OhSnapAF 11-06-2019 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons (Post 2919184)
Not to mention we aren't getting beat up with schedule changes during the day nearly as much as we used to. My average rest period is definitely higher than it used to be.

That’s great to hear!

jtf560 11-06-2019 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OhSnapAF (Post 2919194)
The money isn’t motivating people to get more rest, that is super silly. It’s motivating people to move their fatigue threshold. What was once prior worth fatiguing, might not be now because of extra money. Saying that it’s causing people to fly tired might be harsh, but it certainly isn’t causing people to somehow get better sleep at night.

It is different than when you were here. Don't live in fantasy land like Retractible. Money motivates quite well. As does better scheduling and longer overnights. It is a mich better job now. Just not like a certain crazy man likes to believe.

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OhSnapAF 11-06-2019 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jtf560 (Post 2919196)
It is different than when you were here. Don't live in fantasy land like Retractible. Money motivates quite well. As does better scheduling and longer overnights. It is a mich better job now. Just not like a certain crazy man likes to believe.

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Oh I believe it. I have tons of friends there and they echo the same thing. I’m glad it’s better in the QOL department.

Retractable 11-06-2019 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OhSnapAF (Post 2919194)
The money isn’t motivating people to get more rest, that is super silly. It’s motivating people to move their fatigue threshold. What was once prior worth fatiguing, might not be now because of extra money. Saying that it’s causing people to fly tired might be harsh, but it certainly isn’t causing people to somehow get better sleep at night.

Nah... if it’s broke, it still gets written up.

If the crew is tired, they punch.

I hear about it all the time in the crew rooms and vans... have done it myself if needed. Mitigating aka “communicating like adults” usually works the best, however.


What’s changed is that fatigue calls are down because there’s positive cohesion between the schedulers and the crews. There’s a common goal to get the schedule completed as advertised if possible. Crews are really trying to accommodate the requests... but not at the expense of safety as your callous aspersions suggest.

Also, “tires appear the be wrong color black rubber, please evaluate” write ups in Anaconda, MT have all but eliminated.

Selloffs are down. A lot.

MX costs have normalized.

It’s shaping up to be a nice company.... sure, there’s some occasional hard days and yes, there are fantastic ones too.

There’s nothing nefarious about the IBI deal and I’d put our record up against any other mature aviation company out there with FOQA, ASAP, AQP, etc.


It’s been a nice year to work here.

GeeWizDriver 11-06-2019 09:19 PM

Oh, for the LOVE of your favorite deity.

Newsflash. The schedulers still hate the pilots. And vice versa.

Positive cohesion...what a fantasyland you live in John. Nice corporate gobbledygook there.

Retractable 11-07-2019 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver (Post 2919478)
Oh, for the LOVE of your favorite deity.

Newsflash. The schedulers still hate the pilots. And vice versa.

Positive cohesion...what a fantasyland you live in John. Nice corporate gobbledygook there.

This definitely isn’t Oakatie.

Most of the NJI pilots have found integration something they could stomach, a new chapter. It was definitely something new they had to work at, especially transitioning to small cabin post integration.

Then there a few who haven’t been forced out of their G Sled yet, who cannot understand why scheduling is different now than Oakatie. The G Sled looks the same though...

It’s not personal with them. It’s business and they’re in the business of moving metal. You’re in the business of moving the metal if you can do it safely while providing superior service.

It’s a match made in heaven... if you enjoy the work, have the ability and understand your role. This isn’t a hard job... but it’s challenging and engaging if you apply yourself.

For some reason, you’ve remained... irritated. For years. It’s a shame really... to be in one of the more fantastic pieces of equipment offered here and still be miserable.

It’s proof that the plane doesn’t make the pilot. It’s all about attitude.


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