6 year CA on the 7/7 is 127k. Add 30k for that other stuff you mentioned and it’s 157k. Is that a fair assessment for the hypothetical 6 year CA?

I'm at 30K just in FDP pay this year.

No, not at all. But it's as useful at 747 pay rates at Allegiant. I also asked if the junior Captain at NJA was a 2006 hire. I'll assume that's correct since no one has refuted that. With NJA upgrades seemingly still running a decade plus it's hard to get a good comparison as everyone else with wings is upgrading in 3 years or less at this point.

If I was still at NJA I'd be making $105k on the 7/7. What would my real take home be? Plus 10%? Plus 20%? Plus 25%? How much does all of the extra add to the base? And for the love of all things holy do not include per diem.

As a 6 year guy at NK I'm looking at $235K this year being mostly on reserve. I've had a few premium assignments but not very many.

Where does a 2008 hire sit on the seniority list right now? Bottom 10%? Bottom 15%? I'm genuinely curious. Where does a 2015 hire sit? That year keeps getting mentioned here. How do those guys sit?

I'm currently in the top 40% and will continue to climb. With 145 airframes and another 148-198 coming I have a good chance of getting into the top 25%. Nothing in aviation is certain but I'm fairly comfortable at my seniority now.

A major reason for me leaving NJA (besides that fact that I hated the job, I won't omit that fact) was the job insecurity. I asked Jordan Hansel what changes had been made to the owner contracts to prevent another mass furlough when the next recession hit. He said none. Being in the bottom percentages of a company that wasn't growing and not retiring anyone wasn't appealing. I had already been through one furlough with NJA and I wasn't betting my retirement on another.

There's a pecking order in aviation from least to most appealing places to work. NJA isn't at the bottom but it's nowhere near the top either. People don't leave Delta to come to Spirit. And Spirit people don't leave to go to NetJets. People do leave 135's and regionals to come to NJA but no one is leaving a ULCC/LCC/Legacy to come to NJA or FX. I wasn't a .mil, female, or flow when I left so AA wasn't an option for me. I don't live in a Delta or United base, nor do I ever want to, so that wasn't an option even if Bid D/U did call. My lot and roll of the dice landed me at NK and things have drastically improved for me over my DXTA years.
The same would be true if I had landed at F9/WN or any of the legacies either.

The ULCC market is probably the largest untapped market in aviation right now and both Spirit and Frontier have good futures ahead of them. I had applications in at both and took the first opportunity and I tell others the to do the same. Neither NK nor F9 are Delta/United/AA as we lack not only the wide bodies but the relative seniority improvement in the narrow bodies because of the WB. We also don't have as mature of contracts nor the fleet counts to command them yet (REF AK arbitration). We have a lot of work to do on our next contract (with replacing our MEC being priority number one) and we are looking at other narrow body operators for our comparisons and not at Citation operators. That's how this business works.

If I was a senior guy at NJA and could tolerate the job I'd stay put. But if I was junior I would look really hard at leaving for anywhere else. Any major will be a far better job than NJA for a majority of people. There are some exceptions for sure but to call NetJets a career job is a bit inaccurate in my opinion for a young new hire. I still have a few buddies at NJA and wish them well but most everyone I know has left and none of regretted it. We're all making more money, have more time off, and are working less. In my book that's an improvement but it may not be for everyone.

Ok so another 5k? I’m just wanting to know what would be realistic. Not sure I would count PTO sellback but is 35k realistic for all the other stuff?

It was not my intention to ignore the question but yes, that is correct.

10% of base has been a typical overtime number. So 12.7K traditional overtime plus 30K FDP is probably not far off. Not counting the contract bonus, this year it looks like I'll be somewhere around 45K over my base pay. And I use lots of PTO days, so no maxing of the PTO bank for me this year.

Ok so around 170-175 for a 6 year captain. I gotcha.

Good for you!

Personally, I’m under $9K with ONE fatigue and TWO sick days since date of signing. We did EXACTLY what the iphone said all week and flew EXACTLY 12 hours. The week of a holiday when they are BEGGING my fleet to extend.

What’s that disclaimer on every ad for a financial planner? Past results are not indicative of future performance?

I was just comparing Alaska to small cabin (the vast majority of flying) at NJA. I know at least 4 or 5 who jumped from the Excel to Alaska and even with the improvements since they left, QOL at Alaska is light years beyond what they "enjoyed" at NJA.

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Yep, I forgot to address this.

Contract BS aside (which there is a lot of, trust me), I am still very happy with my situation. Now comparing VX QOL to AS QOL, that is a different topic of conversation. I have to work a day or two more for the same amount of credit because the pairing aren't nearly as efficient. There is a bunch of other stuff too, and I am by no means an AS cheerleader, far from it. I am just simply comparing very researchable and readily available pieces of information, between my current situation, and the situation I left.

That being said, I am about 38% in base as I type this, spent 3 months this year on year 2 pay before my pay bump, and I will clear more than a 6 year captain would at NJA easily, while working 12-14 days a month. I used to be able to credit 85 hours a month easily with 11-12 days working a month at VX but it is much harder to do that under AS. Still , I don't ever work more than 14 days a month and typically get around 83-87 hours per month.

The days off per month, the amount of time off on layovers, and the day to day workload compared to what I had at NetJets isn't even a fair comparison to NetJets. AS has tons of problems, and an even more sheltered pilot group than NJA, but that is for us to fix. But on the road and off the road QOL is light years better than I had at NJA.

No scope sucks, no growth sucks, AS is very ignorant to the industry and lives in their own bubble. But historically they have been very financially stable, and that is more than I can say for the hire until they furlough mentality of legacies like UAL. Nothing about AS really excites me, but it is still better for me in every facet over NJA.