That’s not what I was trying to point out. Don’t try to bend the rules or work loopholes when you are on probation. That is how you stick out. If you are sick, don’t come to work. If you are tired, fatigue. Using those provisions for anything other than you being sick or fatigued is to roll the dice on you making it through probation.
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Originally Posted by MWilliams
(Post 2983918)
That’s not what I was trying to point out. Don’t try to bend the rules or work loopholes when you are on probation. That is how you stick out. If you are sick, don’t come to work. If you are tired, fatigue. Using those provisions for anything other than you being sick or fatigued is to roll the dice on you making it through probation.
Calling in sick or fatiguing is not bending rules or exploiting loopholes. I’ll add that fatiguing or casing in sick when you are neither of those things, is a roll of the dice whether you’re on probation or not. |
Originally Posted by MinRest
(Post 2983938)
Calling in sick or fatiguing is not bending rules or exploiting loopholes. I’ll add that fatiguing or casing in sick when you are neither of those things, is a roll of the dice whether you’re on probation or not.
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Originally Posted by MinRest
(Post 2983855)
I think that is bad advice. You are a professional pilot, It is YOUR job to self check and make sure you are fit to fly. DO NOT GO TO WORK IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO PERFORM YOUR JOB. If you have to be worried about your career because you are dying at home and don't want to call out sick, don't work there.
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Originally Posted by MWilliams
(Post 2983918)
That’s not what I was trying to point out. Don’t try to bend the rules or work loopholes when you are on probation. That is how you stick out. If you are sick, don’t come to work. If you are tired, fatigue. Using those provisions for anything other than you being sick or fatigued is to roll the dice on you making it through probation.
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So you were given the option of resigning versus getting canned? You wanted to spend more time with your young family?
I am not defending NJA but something here is a little....off? If you sick calls and fatigues were legit, pursue it. File a complaint. All because you were not afforded the protection of the union does not mean you don't have recourse. If you feel strongly about your...whatever you want to call it....then pursue it. I will say...those that leave NJA usually leave with a record of their existence here....good or bad. A few on here...that post, have that record and it's not good. People know who they are....just like people know who you are. It's a small community.
Originally Posted by Guard
(Post 2983703)
For the record I did not get canned! Left for practicing what they preached in indoc, It did appreciate the severance package and continued benefits.
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Originally Posted by OtherGuy
(Post 2984109)
So you were given the option of resigning versus getting canned? You wanted to spend more time with your young family?
I am not defending NJA but something here is a little....off? If you sick calls and fatigues were legit, pursue it. File a complaint. All because you were not afforded the protection of the union does not mean you don't have recourse. If you feel strongly about your...whatever you want to call it....then pursue it. I will say...those that leave NJA usually leave with a record of their existence here....good or bad. A few on here...that post, have that record and it's not good. People know who they are....just like people know who you are. It's a small community. |
Probation is just as it states, they can get rid of you for any reason. Do you think they say it is because of sick calls? No, they are smart enough not to do this. It is no different then working in a "right to work" state. They can fire you for anything. Even off probation they track sick calls and people have been called over them. The company tracks everything and has a very good track record of looking for patterns that stand out. Sometimes it is over nothing, but it can happen. Unfortunately we have some that never call in sick and rather then address this, they look at those that have a high number. With that said, off probation I am unaware of anything happening to someone who calls in sick a lot other then to let them know the company is aware of this. Just don't post on Facebook your on vacation after you called in sick which some have done.
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Originally Posted by hawkerpilot05
(Post 2984338)
Probation is just as it states, they can get rid of you for any reason. Do you think they say it is because of sick calls? No, they are smart enough not to do this. It is no different then working in a "right to work" state. They can fire you for anything. Even off probation they track sick calls and people have been called over them. The company tracks everything and has a very good track record of looking for patterns that stand out. Sometimes it is over nothing, but it can happen. Unfortunately we have some that never call in sick and rather then address this, they look at those that have a high number. With that said, off probation I am unaware of anything happening to someone who calls in sick a lot other then to let them know the company is aware of this. Just don't post on Facebook your on vacation after you called in sick which some have done.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk A company can terminate you for any reason during probation (aside from those reasons protected by law), heck they don't need to even give a reason. I have seen this, even at corporations with good reputations. On the flip side, you can sue them for any reason for damage to your career. They can be held liable. I know of some that have been successful, but it's definitely an uphill road, expensive and a lot of stress and drama. Keep your nose clean until you start paying union dues. You really don't have a choice. It's a shame, but this is the way of the world. |
Originally Posted by AntiPeter
(Post 2984370)
Agreed. Whether at NetJets or a legacy, be very careful about calling in sick, fatigue or any other behavior that may attract attention while on probation. Fair? No. But, this is the way the world works. You will not get effective union representation during probation and you are an at will employee.
A company can terminate you for any reason during probation (aside from those reasons protected by law), heck they don't need to even give a reason. I have seen this, even at corporations with good reputations. On the flip side, you can sue them for any reason for damage to your career. They can be held liable. I know of some that have been successful, but it's definitely an uphill road, expensive and a lot of stress and drama. Keep your nose clean until you start paying union dues. You really don't have a choice. It's a shame, but this is the way of the world. Paying union dues isn't a get out of jail free card. Your behavior before and after probation can easily get you canned. Ask some of the 15+ year NJA guys who were fired for doing dumb stuff. |
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