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Old 02-25-2020, 01:01 PM
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That’s not what I was trying to point out. Don’t try to bend the rules or work loopholes when you are on probation. That is how you stick out. If you are sick, don’t come to work. If you are tired, fatigue. Using those provisions for anything other than you being sick or fatigued is to roll the dice on you making it through probation.
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Old 02-25-2020, 01:24 PM
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That’s not what I was trying to point out. Don’t try to bend the rules or work loopholes when you are on probation. That is how you stick out. If you are sick, don’t come to work. If you are tired, fatigue. Using those provisions for anything other than you being sick or fatigued is to roll the dice on you making it through probation.

Calling in sick or fatiguing is not bending rules or exploiting loopholes. I’ll add that fatiguing or casing in sick when you are neither of those things, is a roll of the dice whether you’re on probation or not.
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Old 02-25-2020, 02:18 PM
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Calling in sick or fatiguing is not bending rules or exploiting loopholes. I’ll add that fatiguing or casing in sick when you are neither of those things, is a roll of the dice whether you’re on probation or not.
Correct, calling in sick and/or fatiguing is not bending the rules, as long as you are sick or fatigued.
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Old 02-25-2020, 05:06 PM
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I think that is bad advice. You are a professional pilot, It is YOUR job to self check and make sure you are fit to fly. DO NOT GO TO WORK IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO PERFORM YOUR JOB. If you have to be worried about your career because you are dying at home and don't want to call out sick, don't work there.
Could not agree more, I did 27 years in Air Force as a C-5 Pilot, never got called out for judgment as an A/C with over 5000 hr s in command, to get second guessed on 3 sick calls with three kids under 10 in the house was pretty undignified in my opinion! That said it was a nice they gave men some candy leaving!
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Old 02-25-2020, 05:08 PM
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That’s not what I was trying to point out. Don’t try to bend the rules or work loopholes when you are on probation. That is how you stick out. If you are sick, don’t come to work. If you are tired, fatigue. Using those provisions for anything other than you being sick or fatigued is to roll the dice on you making it through probation.
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Old 02-25-2020, 05:25 PM
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So you were given the option of resigning versus getting canned? You wanted to spend more time with your young family?

I am not defending NJA but something here is a little....off? If you sick calls and fatigues were legit, pursue it. File a complaint. All because you were not afforded the protection of the union does not mean you don't have recourse. If you feel strongly about your...whatever you want to call it....then pursue it.

I will say...those that leave NJA usually leave with a record of their existence here....good or bad. A few on here...that post, have that record and it's not good. People know who they are....just like people know who you are. It's a small community.



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For the record I did not get canned! Left for practicing what they preached in indoc, It did appreciate the severance package and continued benefits.
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Old 02-26-2020, 04:00 AM
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So you were given the option of resigning versus getting canned? You wanted to spend more time with your young family?

I am not defending NJA but something here is a little....off? If you sick calls and fatigues were legit, pursue it. File a complaint. All because you were not afforded the protection of the union does not mean you don't have recourse. If you feel strongly about your...whatever you want to call it....then pursue it.

I will say...those that leave NJA usually leave with a record of their existence here....good or bad. A few on here...that post, have that record and it's not good. People know who they are....just like people know who you are. It's a small community.
I got a new job pretty quickly so I am not that worried about it, but I do want people to know the truth about NJA when your on probation. Other guys didn't even get to go to Columbus, just saw "reserve from home" on last week of probation and got a call to say "good bye" My point being my kids get sick from school and it runs through the house, I tried to do the right thing and called in sick when I got sick from them, my issue is they had an issue 6-7 months earlier but let me fly till end of probation till they wanted to talk about it, found it to be total BS! No training issues, so I thank them for the A680 type.
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Probation is just as it states, they can get rid of you for any reason. Do you think they say it is because of sick calls? No, they are smart enough not to do this. It is no different then working in a "right to work" state. They can fire you for anything. Even off probation they track sick calls and people have been called over them. The company tracks everything and has a very good track record of looking for patterns that stand out. Sometimes it is over nothing, but it can happen. Unfortunately we have some that never call in sick and rather then address this, they look at those that have a high number. With that said, off probation I am unaware of anything happening to someone who calls in sick a lot other then to let them know the company is aware of this. Just don't post on Facebook your on vacation after you called in sick which some have done.

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Probation is just as it states, they can get rid of you for any reason. Do you think they say it is because of sick calls? No, they are smart enough not to do this. It is no different then working in a "right to work" state. They can fire you for anything. Even off probation they track sick calls and people have been called over them. The company tracks everything and has a very good track record of looking for patterns that stand out. Sometimes it is over nothing, but it can happen. Unfortunately we have some that never call in sick and rather then address this, they look at those that have a high number. With that said, off probation I am unaware of anything happening to someone who calls in sick a lot other then to let them know the company is aware of this. Just don't post on Facebook your on vacation after you called in sick which some have done.

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Agreed. Whether at NetJets or a legacy, be very careful about calling in sick, fatigue or any other behavior that may attract attention while on probation. Fair? No. But, this is the way the world works. You will not get effective union representation during probation and you are an at will employee.

A company can terminate you for any reason during probation (aside from those reasons protected by law), heck they don't need to even give a reason. I have seen this, even at corporations with good reputations. On the flip side, you can sue them for any reason for damage to your career. They can be held liable. I know of some that have been successful, but it's definitely an uphill road, expensive and a lot of stress and drama.

Keep your nose clean until you start paying union dues. You really don't have a choice. It's a shame, but this is the way of the world.
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Old 02-26-2020, 05:35 AM
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Agreed. Whether at NetJets or a legacy, be very careful about calling in sick, fatigue or any other behavior that may attract attention while on probation. Fair? No. But, this is the way the world works. You will not get effective union representation during probation and you are an at will employee.

A company can terminate you for any reason during probation (aside from those reasons protected by law), heck they don't need to even give a reason. I have seen this, even at corporations with good reputations. On the flip side, you can sue them for any reason for damage to your career. They can be held liable. I know of some that have been successful, but it's definitely an uphill road, expensive and a lot of stress and drama.

Keep your nose clean until you start paying union dues. You really don't have a choice. It's a shame, but this is the way of the world.
Again, I think this is advice from a by gone era. But it wouldn't be the first time NJA bites the hand that feeds them with regard to hiring. NJA is already desperate for new hires looking ahead and it is only going to get worse. NJA lower management is merely creating more work for the hiring department and creating a bad stigma and rep for NJA by forcing people out before their probation is up for sick and fatigue calls. Not saying that is happening in high numbers or is the norm, but is sad if that is what is going on. No legacy is going to hire you, then fire you at the end of the tear for a couple of sick calls in 2020, I can promise you that.

Paying union dues isn't a get out of jail free card. Your behavior before and after probation can easily get you canned. Ask some of the 15+ year NJA guys who were fired for doing dumb stuff.
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