NetJets to hire 100 pilots by end of 2021
04-26-2021, 11:26 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by Buschpilot92
well.... we did just survive the pandemic without any government aid. Is that not a testimony to the security of this job?
and besides, I never made that claim in the first place. You just assumed it. Don’t be so angry. Try and relax.
and besides, I never made that claim in the first place. You just assumed it. Don’t be so angry. Try and relax.
Surviving the pandemic without government aid is great , and my hat is off to NJA, they turned it round and operate much more safely. But the airlines all have loans to be paid back, and will pay them back. Security is a relative metric. My airline had one of the, if not the biggest warchest, of any airline. We didn't furlough, but we did take gov aid that we will pay back. Is my airline any less secure than NJA? The reality is, Birkshire Hathway owning NJA means that it is very hard to decipher the PNL to know just how well or not NJA is doing financially. There is a lot less transparency there, which has always made negotiations that much more difficult. Taking government money doesn't necessarily indicate how close or far from furlough a given company was.
04-26-2021, 03:33 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
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Originally Posted by MinRest
I am not angry at all lol. The reference was more directed to FlyFaclons, but NJA pilots in general like to sit on this throne claiming ultimate job security when NJA had a massive furlough not too long ago.
Surviving the pandemic without government aid is great , and my hat is off to NJA, they turned it round and operate much more safely. But the airlines all have loans to be paid back, and will pay them back. Security is a relative metric. My airline had one of the, if not the biggest warchest, of any airline. We didn't furlough, but we did take gov aid that we will pay back. Is my airline any less secure than NJA? The reality is, Birkshire Hathway owning NJA means that it is very hard to decipher the PNL to know just how well or not NJA is doing financially. There is a lot less transparency there, which has always made negotiations that much more difficult. Taking government money doesn't necessarily indicate how close or far from furlough a given company was.
Surviving the pandemic without government aid is great , and my hat is off to NJA, they turned it round and operate much more safely. But the airlines all have loans to be paid back, and will pay them back. Security is a relative metric. My airline had one of the, if not the biggest warchest, of any airline. We didn't furlough, but we did take gov aid that we will pay back. Is my airline any less secure than NJA? The reality is, Birkshire Hathway owning NJA means that it is very hard to decipher the PNL to know just how well or not NJA is doing financially. There is a lot less transparency there, which has always made negotiations that much more difficult. Taking government money doesn't necessarily indicate how close or far from furlough a given company was.
04-26-2021, 05:13 PM
#33
New Hire
Joined APC: Apr 2021
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Sorry to have seemingly derailed the thread. Thanks to everyone for their replies! I’m looking forward to joining all of you in your discussions of who has the best job and why shortly! All of your jobs look pretty darn good from the outside looking in.
04-27-2021, 04:07 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by FX2QS
Sorry to have seemingly derailed the thread. Thanks to everyone for their replies! I’m looking forward to joining all of you in your discussions of who has the best job and why shortly! All of your jobs look pretty darn good from the outside looking in.
Good luck on coming over. Hope you get the call.
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04-27-2021, 06:35 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by MinRest
I am not angry at all lol. The reference was more directed to FlyFaclons, but NJA pilots in general like to sit on this throne claiming ultimate job security when NJA had a massive furlough not too long ago.
04-27-2021, 07:14 AM
#36
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Yeah aviation as a whole was really bad in 2010. Not a single regional was hiring, economy was still bad from the crash, age 65 coming along around that time. After getting furloughed from NJ I was just filling out regional apps for unemployment benefits. NetJets is a very different company since the furlough and I’d assume most of the industry is as well.
04-27-2021, 08:02 AM
#37
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NetJets has said they plan to add 40 new jets per year over the next decade, of which most will
be additive and not replacements to the fleet. How do the current pilots at NJA feel this will effect movement over the next several years? Do you think NJA is going to have to hire constantly to keep up with the growing fleet count for the next several years? How probable do you feel it is for NetJets to be able to double their fleet count over the next decade? If this is the plan, I feel like coming to NetJets at this point in time would set up a new hire very well in the coming years if they plan on staying at NJA long term.
be additive and not replacements to the fleet. How do the current pilots at NJA feel this will effect movement over the next several years? Do you think NJA is going to have to hire constantly to keep up with the growing fleet count for the next several years? How probable do you feel it is for NetJets to be able to double their fleet count over the next decade? If this is the plan, I feel like coming to NetJets at this point in time would set up a new hire very well in the coming years if they plan on staying at NJA long term.
04-27-2021, 10:52 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by Greyhound1
NetJets has said they plan to add 40 new jets per year over the next decade, of which most will
be additive and not replacements to the fleet. How do the current pilots at NJA feel this will effect movement over the next several years? Do you think NJA is going to have to hire constantly to keep up with the growing fleet count for the next several years? How probable do you feel it is for NetJets to be able to double their fleet count over the next decade? If this is the plan, I feel like coming to NetJets at this point in time would set up a new hire very well in the coming years if they plan on staying at NJA long term.
be additive and not replacements to the fleet. How do the current pilots at NJA feel this will effect movement over the next several years? Do you think NJA is going to have to hire constantly to keep up with the growing fleet count for the next several years? How probable do you feel it is for NetJets to be able to double their fleet count over the next decade? If this is the plan, I feel like coming to NetJets at this point in time would set up a new hire very well in the coming years if they plan on staying at NJA long term.
I haven’t heard of doubling the fleet. I’ve seen this fleet plan change many many times over the past couple years. One week we are disposing old airplanes, next week we need the planes and stop the disposal. The fleet plan is very fluid and I certainly would not make long term decisions based on our fleet plans.
I keep hearing we will see about 1000 retirements in the next 10 years which is about 40% of the seniority list. We don’t have a mandatory retirement age so that’s just a projection. All things to think about long term.
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04-28-2021, 06:47 AM
#39
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NJASAP just published our age demographic with the medium age being 52-53 but the age brackets just above and below are almost as high. Another thing to consider is that even though we don't have an age retirement, the reality is pilots still lose their medical because of age.
We have a very bright FO in the Phenom who wrote his master thesis on the aging 135 pilot. He got access to the FAA medical data and the statistics show that between 60-64, 40% of all pilots on average lose their medical. Above 65, it goes up exponentially with age. It is very rare for pilots flying over 70. In his view, the lack of an age retirement is irrelevant. He said the biggest issue is the FAA tightening up the medical requirements which is why ALPA is against raising the retirement age to 70 as this would also bring more stringent medical requirements.
If the USA would adopt medical standards that other countries follow, we could see a substantial increase of pilots losing their medical well before they make 65. Food for thought.
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We have a very bright FO in the Phenom who wrote his master thesis on the aging 135 pilot. He got access to the FAA medical data and the statistics show that between 60-64, 40% of all pilots on average lose their medical. Above 65, it goes up exponentially with age. It is very rare for pilots flying over 70. In his view, the lack of an age retirement is irrelevant. He said the biggest issue is the FAA tightening up the medical requirements which is why ALPA is against raising the retirement age to 70 as this would also bring more stringent medical requirements.
If the USA would adopt medical standards that other countries follow, we could see a substantial increase of pilots losing their medical well before they make 65. Food for thought.
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