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Old 07-28-2021, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by OhioFlyer717 View Post
So, I Love the predictability of the 7/7. So does my wife (who also works). It helps us set up day care/ baby sitting when I'm gone. I also Love not commuting. I had an "easy" commute at the regionals but I was constatly fighting mainline guys and having to school them on their own contract and commuting rights. It was stressful and unpleasant. Not having to commute has relieved A LOT of stress in my life.

Yes, you will make more at the airlines. But the money isn't bad at NJA and there is a lot of potential for soft money. (don't look at base salaries on this site.. they are way off from reality...but still probably not as good as legacy).

you will find a groove at the airlines... knowing a typical schedule. but I've talked to a few buddies at United, Delta, and Southwest recently, asking about their life.. they arne't seeing holidays off. Getting about 12-14 days off a month (after 5 years).... so take commuting into factor. loose a day or two here or there.

I'm not sure about legacy. But when I worked at a regional we somtimes had 1 or two days off between trips. Those days are WORTHLESS to a commuter. Might as well be at work.

With all that said. I am actively updating my apps at the legacies just for the hell of it. Money is money after all. And airline flying is easier. But NJA is a good place to work. And if I never get a call from a legacy, I'm pretty damn happy where I'm at.

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your info is incorrect. At WN the least days off is 15 on reserve. Lines are build around 17-19 days OFF with longer overnights than Netjets. It’s definitely a lot less work for more pay.
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Old 07-28-2021, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by OhioFlyer717 View Post
So, I Love the predictability of the 7/7. So does my wife (who also works). It helps us set up day care/ baby sitting when I'm gone. I also Love not commuting. I had an "easy" commute at the regionals but I was constatly fighting mainline guys and having to school them on their own contract and commuting rights. It was stressful and unpleasant. Not having to commute has relieved A LOT of stress in my life.

Yes, you will make more at the airlines. But the money isn't bad at NJA and there is a lot of potential for soft money. (don't look at base salaries on this site.. they are way off from reality...but still probably not as good as legacy).

you will find a groove at the airlines... knowing a typical schedule. but I've talked to a few buddies at United, Delta, and Southwest recently, asking about their life.. they arne't seeing holidays off. Getting about 12-14 days off a month (after 5 years).... so take commuting into factor. loose a day or two here or there.

I'm not sure about legacy. But when I worked at a regional we somtimes had 1 or two days off between trips. Those days are WORTHLESS to a commuter. Might as well be at work.

With all that said. I am actively updating my apps at the legacies just for the hell of it. Money is money after all. And airline flying is easier. But NJA is a good place to work. And if I never get a call from a legacy, I'm pretty damn happy where I'm at.

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your info is incorrect. At WN the least days off is 15 on reserve. Lines are build around 17-19 days OFF with longer overnights than Netjets. It’s definitely a lot less work for more pay.
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Old 07-29-2021, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8er View Post
your info is incorrect. At WN the least days off is 15 on reserve. Lines are build around 17-19 days OFF with longer overnights than Netjets. It’s definitely a lot less work for more pay.
Plus and minus, WN if you don't have to commute it could be more time off. And Part 121 airlines layovers are longer than what you'll get at NetJets. My experience was 12 hours max layover, any longer than that and you were on "Hotel Standby" with depart within 30 minutes leash. I used to joke "Fly for NetJets and see the world thru your hotel room window".

But on the plus side, there's no commuting, they have great no cost medical insurance, and the flying is a lot more interesting. A ten year NJA pilot on the 7&7 schedule gets 21 days in a row off 4 times a year. And also on the 7&7 you can make plans months out since you know your work schedule. I declined recall to USAirways because I liked NetJets so much better.
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Old 07-29-2021, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by avi8er View Post
your info is incorrect. At WN the least days off is 15 on reserve. Lines are build around 17-19 days OFF with longer overnights than Netjets. It’s definitely a lot less work for more pay.
Not a lot of extra pay last year at WN. Lots of time off though.

Pluses and minuses in the entire business.
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Old 07-29-2021, 07:37 PM
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Things have a changed a little since you left. You can use measures now and eliminate that several hour go/show time.


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Old 07-30-2021, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ZebraSpots View Post
Not a lot of extra pay last year at WN. Lots of time off though.

Pluses and minuses in the entire business.
I am not sure using last year for any metric, is appropriate on how to judge a company one way or another.
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Old 08-07-2021, 04:52 AM
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I am not sure using last year for any metric, is appropriate on how to judge a company one way or another.

I’d imagine you’d like to cherry pick some other year then. Specifically, other years of business I wasn’t referring to with better earnings for airlines.

NetJets 2020 saw 3 months of slower flying. No pilots were forced to take LOA or a pay cut. FDP fell off and then hammered back as demand resurged, surpassing our all time busy periods.

We are currently 20% busier than 2019. 2020 was what someone told me it would be… “a bump in the road”.

It was absolutely refreshing to see that NetJets didn’t take one penny of tax payer money to stay afloat in 2020. No major airline (and some fractionals) could claim that.

2020: A very eye opening year for all of aviation.
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Old 08-07-2021, 05:24 PM
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Is the 33% of FDP considered a direct contribution? So in theory you could contribute the $19,500 max, with company match. Then get the FDP added in on top?
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Is the 33% of FDP considered a direct contribution? So in theory you could contribute the $19,500 max, with company match. Then get the FDP added in on top?
Yes, this is correct.
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Old 08-08-2021, 09:28 AM
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Is the 33% of FDP considered a direct contribution? So in theory you could contribute the $19,500 max, with company match. Then get the FDP added in on top?
They call it a “non-discretionary” contribution meaning you had no choice on the percentage of your FDP that went into the 401K. It doesn’t count against your personal contribution limit ($19,500 or $26,000 for us old farts) but it does count against the overall limit which is $58,000 or $64,500 this year, depending on your age. Theoretically, if you contributed the max (with the company match)and REALLY killed FDP, you might scare that overall limit.

The union is mulling survey data on whether to change the 33% number. Any change would be subject to a ratification vote.
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