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03-02-2022, 08:01 AM

Floy

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How does upgrade work?

22 year Challenger (CRJ series) Captain/instructor here thinking about making a change. Just curious how the upgrade works at NJ? The profile on this site lists the most junior captain at a 2006 hire, is that right? Seniority based or what? Thanks in advance.

03-02-2022, 08:12 AM

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It is seniority based. We had a large hiring gap so it will drop to 2015 hires in the next year or so. If the projected growth happens it will keep getting lower but like all jobs in aviation nothing is guaranteed.

03-02-2022, 08:14 AM

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Upgrade is awarded by seniority-based bids. If we aren't in 2007 hires for upgrades now thrn we will be shortly. There was a big gap in hiring so as we get through our 2008 hires, we will go straight to 2015 hires.

03-02-2022, 09:49 AM

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You can select your preferential bids for every fleet and seat from number one to number xyz as many times as you want. If your seniority can hold it you get the bid. Biggest mistake people make is not keeping their preferences current. You may be awarded a bid you really wanted, then forget to upgrade your preferences. Then zap, you get a bid you failed to remove when seat locks are gone or released. Bottom line, all seniority based. No preferential knee pad bid awards.

03-02-2022, 10:31 AM

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Biggest mistake people make is not keeping their preferences current. You may be awarded a bid you really wanted, then forget to upgrade your preferences. Then zap, you get a bid you failed to remove when seat locks are gone or released. Bottom line, all seniority based. No preferential knee pad bid awards.

I screwed that up when I was at NJA. I did airline style bids where I put my current bid, Phenom 300 PIC at the top then had some displacement bids below that just in case. One was Global SIC near the bottom. I got awarded that. The Union was able to get me out of it fortunately once I explained what happened. Lesson was don't put anything on the bid sheet unless you want it more than what you're in now.

03-02-2022, 11:27 AM

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Thanks guys

03-03-2022, 09:14 AM

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Regarding upgrades, is the seniority system company-based, aircraft-based, or cabin class-based? Partially related to upgrades, how does switching between aircraft types work?

03-03-2022, 10:30 AM

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Regarding upgrades, is the seniority system company-based, aircraft-based, or cabin class-based? Partially related to upgrades, how does switching between aircraft types work?

Purely date of hire. The only ones who jump the list are management or SDP (special duty assignments like IPs). SDP types are limited to 39 months if they couldn’t hold the seat through the normal seniority system. Anyone can list any fleet/seat on their standing bid, and if their seniority can hold it, it’s theirs.