Originally Posted by hawkerpilot05

I agree, either make the VED permanent or end them. There most likely will be a fair share that will still volunteer, history has showed. There comes a point when enough is enough.

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Originally Posted by Das Auto

You're absolutely right, but we're not in negotiations, yet. Why not save the tools in our arsenal until we are? Unless of course you're trying to bring them to the table sooner, which both the company and the union suggest isn't going to happen in 2022.

My arguement is that they could easily come out and say that they'd love to give us all a substantial raise, but since they had to sub contract so many flights due to nobody picking up extra days, the money just isn't there.

Originally Posted by ExecJet99

Yes we aren’t in negotiations. That’s the point. It’s called leverage. Everyone knows that a few are getting rich with the VED, but it’s all balloons 🎈 and ponies…right.

Originally Posted by Deserthusker

I am trying to bring them to the table quicker. The pilots have bailed out the company for the last two years and have only been treated worse for it. You can't tell me you haven't had longer days, more legs per day, harder time getting crew meals or time to go get food. The company isn't saying it won't come to the table until next year. They are saying they want to wait until next year. The union leadership is saying now isn't the time but have made a distinct change in tone about the relationship with the company. The union leadership admits that issues that they bring up to the company are falling on deaf ears. Why do we need to keep helping the company when they have stopped helping us? They can say that they can't give us substantial raises because of sell offs and we can say they we are tired of working extra days and good luck manning all these planes they are selling.

Originally Posted by HeavyD

Why aren't we picketing?

Why aren't we using the billboard, blimp USA today, WSJ.

Union leadership needs to pull their head out of their tail on this whole "now is not the time" BS.

Originally Posted by HeavyD

Why aren't we picketing?

Why aren't we using the billboard, blimp USA today, WSJ.

Union leadership needs to pull their head out of their tail on this whole "now is not the time" BS.

Originally Posted by PointBreak

Just curious ( I have no skin in the game anymore ) but what should the billboards/USA articles say? Netjet pilots signed a contract extension but after consideration demand more? Do you want another IBI? That most likely will come with a extension. Is that what you want?

Originally Posted by wankel7

Huh. That is a solid question. What would they say? It sure was easy to make up slogans for the Accidental CEO....but what's the unifying message now?

​​​​​​A focus on base salary? Not really that catchy :/

Originally Posted by HeavyD

Our exemplary new hires make 30% less in base pay than a new hire at Mesa, Horizon etc. $90/ hour is basically 100K/year when factoring block vs credit. Soft money is not dependable and another byproduct of the union bailing out the company through an IBI.