RimonaGregie

I’m curious. I left NJA because I didn’t like the IBB method or character of some of the union representatives, the culture and politics seemed incapable of change. At this time NJASAP was very popular.

Do pilots still feel that way today? Are NJA folks still happy with NJASAP and the IBB proces?

GeeWizDriver

To quote a phrase, "it is what it is." And it ain't gonna change.

wankel7

Don't do a third IBB unless it includes hearty base wage bumps.

Money to double the fleet? Money to pump up the base wage.

HeavyD

I think people are starting to realize that the IBB20 was not a good deal for the pilots. The "now is not the time" message the union has been pushing doesn't line up with the company saying they have a waiting list of 4700.

We need and deserve an IBB22. Everyone's hindsight is 20/20, but true gains are made when our foresight is 20/20. The union will tout how every contract and IBB has been an improvement. This is true. However, we are on par with regionals in compensation. New-hires are actually starting out making less than their regional friends. Regarding the accounts of people making 500K last year, ask them how many days off a month they averaged.

jtf560

The leadership since the change in 2015 is much the same, with some newer eboard members who were long time volunteers. The union surveys have continually shown very high approval ratings of this group and the IBBs. Maybe there are more now that don't like the direction and results of the IBBs, but that percentage hasn't ticked up much. The union leadership has continually said that they will lead as the majority of the group requests on the surveys and that is exactly what they have done. They typically do a couple of phone surveys (they call until they get to around 500 responses) and then an internet survey that is available to the entire group. The phone surveys are pretty hit or miss on timing. I've probably been able to do less than half, but they have called me every time, just not when I could actually do the surveys.

I am getting the sense that the group is starting to lean back towards aggressively dealing with management, but the latest survey results aren't out yet to verify this. Hopefully they will start doing more internet surveys and surveys overall if they see that a higher portion of the group is starting to want a new direction so that they don't sit and play nice well beyond the timeline that the majority has changed direction.

HeavyD

It seems like during the last six months, the union president is getting bute sore and going off on the mb. The e-board likes to tout the contractual gains we have made. Let's talk starting pay. We have gone from matching Great Lakes to being less than a lot of regionals (base pay).

Taildragger90

With the regionals paying $90+ an hour ($80000-ish on minimum guarantee) is NJ due for a new contract anytime soon? Is base pay something that could/would be increased outside of a new contract? I get it with FDP etc you can well exceed that. Curious as I don’t work at NJ but am exploring the possibility.


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JJDriver

Yes base wages are definitely due for a raise, but NJ doesn’t have to do anything for many years given the length of our current contract. However there is talk of something coming next year and we are getting surveys from both the union and company. Unofficially talking with other pilots pretty much everyone’s biggest focus is base pay on the surveys. That’s about it at the moment.

jtf560

Base pay WILL NOT be addressed outside of at least an IBB/ IBI style contract. There is a zero percent chance of raises/ increases for new pilots without raises/ increases for everyone else also. The base pay is lower than the regionals now, even though it would be very hard to not make more in your first year at NetJets. That said, with the very large differences in pay depending on what airplane you are initially assigned, I believe the company will have an increasingly hard time hiring and retaining new pilots and will have to make a relatively large increase to meet hiring and retention numbers that management needs. They want to hire almost 700 pilots next year. No freaking way without more money.

ExecJet99

Why would they raise base pay. They can throw some crumbs (FDP changes or some other garbage that they control) and a signing bonus and that crap will pass. Oh yea. And they will extend the contract. So we will never see a new contract. Rinse and repeat. Our pilot group is selfish and very predictable. The company always comes to us to fix the problems that THEY created and our Union executive board always falls for it.