PSA For Potential New Hires
12-26-2022, 05:06 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Mar 2022
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Originally Posted by Av8rg8r
Phenom FO here, been with the company just over a year, and other than IOE in January, I have been on the 7&7 schedule all
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02-23-2023, 03:39 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 135
Leverage MB Thread:
What happened? Some union committee members didn't like being called out as money hoars? Some of the most active MB poster's, demanding a new contract, were also on the VAWD list. If we keep helping the company plug holes in their staffing model, we're delaying getting a new contract.
What happened? Some union committee members didn't like being called out as money hoars? Some of the most active MB poster's, demanding a new contract, were also on the VAWD list. If we keep helping the company plug holes in their staffing model, we're delaying getting a new contract.
02-23-2023, 04:36 AM
#14
Mmmm wine
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Position: A220 FO
Posts: 941
Originally Posted by HeavyD
Leverage MB Thread:
What happened? Some union committee members didn't like being called out as money hoars? Some of the most active MB poster's, demanding a new contract, were also on the VAWD list. If we keep helping the company plug holes in their staffing model, we're delaying getting a new contract.
What happened? Some union committee members didn't like being called out as money hoars? Some of the most active MB poster's, demanding a new contract, were also on the VAWD list. If we keep helping the company plug holes in their staffing model, we're delaying getting a new contract.
02-23-2023, 01:17 PM
#15
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Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 182
Originally Posted by HeavyD
Leverage MB Thread:
What happened? Some union committee members didn't like being called out as money hoars? Some of the most active MB poster's, demanding a new contract, were also on the VAWD list. If we keep helping the company plug holes in their staffing model, we're delaying getting a new contract.
What happened? Some union committee members didn't like being called out as money hoars? Some of the most active MB poster's, demanding a new contract, were also on the VAWD list. If we keep helping the company plug holes in their staffing model, we're delaying getting a new contract.
02-23-2023, 07:18 PM
#16
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by FracCracka
That ship sailed when we signed the LOA. We should’ve terminated it long before it was set to sunset but instead it’s now permanent. That Genie isn’t getting back into the bottle.
02-24-2023, 04:10 AM
#17
Mmmm wine
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Position: A220 FO
Posts: 941
Originally Posted by ExecJet99
Yep. The union gave away all the leverage. By not sunsetting the 2.5 and basing. Both wins for the company. Basing is a huge recruiting tool. Why do they need to give us anything? Keep lowering the minimums and the bodies will keep coming to the waiting room until a major calls. With all the extended days being handed out that’s still cheaper than sub contract lift. If you can get it. So yea….we’re in for a long “negotiation”. I’m thinking that’s why the union went defcon 6 when the company told them to pound salt when they wanted to negotiate.
02-24-2023, 06:42 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by MinRest
I really wonder if the union realizes what they did... Their short term victories are really overshadowed by the complete and total lack of power they have now. Zero leverage. NJASAP has always had an uphill battle when it comes to optics during negotiations so having no leverage really takes their power away.
02-24-2023, 07:54 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by ExecJet99
Obviously the membership doesn’t get it. Just look at the hundreds of extended days this month. And when union members are on that list it’s obvious that they don’t understand leverage.
But once he saw the LOA and the guys doing VAWDs the most, he put in for a bunch of them too.
I don’t know why we have people that will use the VED/VAWD parts of the contract but are reluctant to use fatigue or set the brake for crew food.
02-24-2023, 08:09 AM
#20
Mmmm wine
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Position: A220 FO
Posts: 941
Originally Posted by FracCracka
I don’t blame anyone not directly involved with negotiating and executing those modifications. Got paired up with a reasonably new hire this tour and he said he was absolutely against extending because he knew that gave us leverage.
But once he saw the LOA and the guys doing VAWDs the most, he put in for a bunch of them too.
I don’t know why we have people that will use the VED/VAWD parts of the contract but are reluctant to use fatigue or set the brake for crew food.
But once he saw the LOA and the guys doing VAWDs the most, he put in for a bunch of them too.
I don’t know why we have people that will use the VED/VAWD parts of the contract but are reluctant to use fatigue or set the brake for crew food.
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