New hires getting Latt/350 vs XLS/sovereign
09-26-2023, 01:31 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by coffeemanexpres
I can't imagine them assigning a 6'5 250 lb guy to the phenom 300. I just don't think that is a possibility. I would think the advantage of getting assigned the phenom is a faster upgrade to captain. Do they assign sasquatch like individuals to the phenom?
However, as someone else said - Accepting employment here means you should being willing to accept whatever fleet they assign you at the end of indoc (and then may change before you head to training) for at least a 39 month seat lock. You may be in it less if upgrade times remain low, or you could be in it longer if things stagnant.
Initial aircraft assignment has no bearing on upgrade as upgrades are awarded via seniority based bids.
09-28-2023, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Well, in a couple of years, you might get assigned to a brand new Ass-end. By all means, let's buy a $17 million airplane that doesn't go any faster, goes a tiny bit farther and carries only a wee bit more than the slave ship XLS AND gives up four inches of cabin height in the bargain.
SMH
Textron Aviation Inks 1,500-jet Deal with NetJets
Textron Aviation and NetJets today announced a “record-breaking,” all-options fleet order for up to 1,500 Cessna Citation Ascend, Latitude, and Longitude twinjets over the next 15 years. This agreement—estimated by industry analyst Brian Foley to be worth approximately $32 billion—builds on an existing NetJets fleet agreement for Citation Longitudes. It also makes the Columbus, Ohio-based fractional aircraft provider the launch customer for the midsize Ascend, an upgraded Citation XLS+ variant unveiled in May at EBACE that is set to enter service in 2025.
“NetJets customers around the world continually select Citations as their aircraft of choice. We’re honored to be the largest provider of industry-leading aircraft to NetJets and look forward to continuing to work together to design and deliver the best aviation experience based on customer feedback,” said Textron Aviation president and CEO Ron Draper.
Over the past 40 years, NetJets has taken delivery of more than 800 Citations, including exercising more than 300 options for Citation Latitudes and Longitudes during the last eight years. Through the years, NetJets has owned and operated the Citation SII, V, Excel/XLS, Sovereign, X, Latitude, and Longitude.
SMH
Textron Aviation Inks 1,500-jet Deal with NetJets
Textron Aviation and NetJets today announced a “record-breaking,” all-options fleet order for up to 1,500 Cessna Citation Ascend, Latitude, and Longitude twinjets over the next 15 years. This agreement—estimated by industry analyst Brian Foley to be worth approximately $32 billion—builds on an existing NetJets fleet agreement for Citation Longitudes. It also makes the Columbus, Ohio-based fractional aircraft provider the launch customer for the midsize Ascend, an upgraded Citation XLS+ variant unveiled in May at EBACE that is set to enter service in 2025.
“NetJets customers around the world continually select Citations as their aircraft of choice. We’re honored to be the largest provider of industry-leading aircraft to NetJets and look forward to continuing to work together to design and deliver the best aviation experience based on customer feedback,” said Textron Aviation president and CEO Ron Draper.
Over the past 40 years, NetJets has taken delivery of more than 800 Citations, including exercising more than 300 options for Citation Latitudes and Longitudes during the last eight years. Through the years, NetJets has owned and operated the Citation SII, V, Excel/XLS, Sovereign, X, Latitude, and Longitude.
09-28-2023, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 727C47
slave ship ? LOL , keep whining, if anything the mighty XLS has morphed into a gentlemen’s fleet with a much more sedate pace than in years past, while certainly not as busy as the Lat, and 350 fleets, we are still doing Ok, that being said a lot of our customers like the niche that the XL/ XLS held/ holds , they aren’t buying the Ascend on spec….
09-28-2023, 10:08 PM
#14
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When hired, you will complete a measurement worksheet that they use to determine if you fit the Phenom or not. I have seen some big folks in the Phenom. If they deem you to fit in the plane and assign you to it, but there are issues, there is the ability to request a fit test to try and fit out.
However, as someone else said - Accepting employment here means you should being willing to accept whatever fleet they assign you at the end of indoc (and then may change before you head to training) for at least a 39 month seat lock. You may be in it less if upgrade times remain low, or you could be in it longer if things stagnant.
Initial aircraft assignment has no bearing on upgrade as upgrades are awarded via seniority based bids.
However, as someone else said - Accepting employment here means you should being willing to accept whatever fleet they assign you at the end of indoc (and then may change before you head to training) for at least a 39 month seat lock. You may be in it less if upgrade times remain low, or you could be in it longer if things stagnant.
Initial aircraft assignment has no bearing on upgrade as upgrades are awarded via seniority based bids.
09-29-2023, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by wankel7
There is no way a new hire will view the XLS in the same way as you after they learn about how much FDP they aren't earning when compared to their peers on the heavy FDP fleets. Which is the basis of this thread
09-29-2023, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by frmrdashtrash
Exactly. I haven't cracked 10 hours in months. I'll get a few flights out of one before it breaks, spend a day in the hotel, airline to another one, it breaks after a couple more flights, then end up going home with 9 hours. My Kindle gets used more than my company iPad.
As for fitting the Phenom 300 I had a copilot one day who advised me if we had to land in a strong crosswind I'd have to do the landing since the yoke hit his leg if he had to use much aileron.
I don't know why he didn't ask for a different jet, maybe being new he was afraid to make any waves.
09-29-2023, 03:09 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by AirBear
Thats a definite safety issue! I would never fly a plane that I couldn't fully manipulate the controls. Your probably right, he didn't want to cause waves. I bet he wasn't even taller than 6'2!
Sounds as bad as the Hawker 400XP used to be. I flew them for several years. My record tour was airline to TPA to pickup a jet out of Mx. 7 days later I airlined back home having never left the hotel. I think Mx threw a huge party when the last 400XP left the property.
As for fitting the Phenom 300 I had a copilot one day who advised me if we had to land in a strong crosswind I'd have to do the landing since the yoke hit his leg if he had to use much aileron. I don't know why he didn't ask for a different jet, maybe being new he was afraid to make any waves.
As for fitting the Phenom 300 I had a copilot one day who advised me if we had to land in a strong crosswind I'd have to do the landing since the yoke hit his leg if he had to use much aileron.
I don't know why he didn't ask for a different jet, maybe being new he was afraid to make any waves.
09-30-2023, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AJDWAB
Hiring slowing down......because of parts. Sure Bobo....the same dude who mentioned furloughs a few classes back. Bobo the Clown.
How many sims are there that we can use?
If you think hiring slowing is anything more than that you should be more worried about the economy.
09-30-2023, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Swedepilut
How many lattys are sitting around without engines?
How many sims are there that we can use?
If you think hiring slowing is anything more than that you should be more worried about the economy.
How many sims are there that we can use?
If you think hiring slowing is anything more than that you should be more worried about the economy.
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