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Swedepilut 05-03-2024 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by jtf560 (Post 3798569)
We shall see. The new contract gives a 24 month lock out for upgrades in any fleet and the last captain drops went down to something like 14 months. It is also 4+ straight weeks away from home. I'm sure the company is hoping to assign newhires these slots to avoid the training churn and wasting 100K+ types like they have been doing for the last year+. I'm sure some junior pilots will take the bait, but I'm guessing we will actually see some newhires sprinkled in.

They can't assign new hires large cabin until they waive seat locks and that doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon.

jtf560 05-03-2024 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Swedepilut (Post 3798571)
They can't assign new hires large cabin until they waive seat locks and that doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon.

Did you see the April 25th 6000 SIC award? The email specifically says there were NO ELIGIBLE UNLOCKED BIDDERS for both the 6000 and 650 SIC slots. All the slots were filled with pilots who had their seat locks waived. There is another bid for May that has 24 6000 slots and 4 650 slots. It is very likely that every single slot is once again unbid by unlocked pilots. I believe it is unlikely that there will be enough waived pilots to fill these slots and I am 99.9% positive that the company will not junior assign them after watching almost every pilot they junior assigned within the last year get upgrades, thusly wasting millions of dollars in the training musical chairs.

Swedepilut 05-05-2024 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by jtf560 (Post 3798627)
Did you see the April 25th 6000 SIC award? The email specifically says there were NO ELIGIBLE UNLOCKED BIDDERS for both the 6000 and 650 SIC slots. All the slots were filled with pilots who had their seat locks waived. There is another bid for May that has 24 6000 slots and 4 650 slots. It is very likely that every single slot is once again unbid by unlocked pilots. I believe it is unlikely that there will be enough waived pilots to fill these slots and I am 99.9% positive that the company will not junior assign them after watching almost every pilot they junior assigned within the last year get upgrades, thusly wasting millions of dollars in the training musical chairs.

You're reading it wrong.

If they waive seat locks they are going to have to waive a specific pilot who has a 9 year seat lock out there. It might be 8 by now.

So they will continue to junior assign until they are forced to waive seat locks which isn't happening anytime soon.

jtf560 05-05-2024 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Swedepilut (Post 3798960)
You're reading it wrong.

If they waive seat locks they are going to have to waive a specific pilot who has a 9 year seat lock out there. It might be 8 by now.

So they will continue to junior assign until they are forced to waive seat locks which isn't happening anytime soon.

You are the one that needs to read again- it specifically says, "Because we had a shortage of unlocked bidders, we are waiving equipment locks in accordance with 2024AA, 15.4(C)(1). These pilots were awarded this position as a result of waiving equipment locks". That is the verbiage. Exactly. All waived. No junior assignment. They will likely not be junior assigning ever again since that unlocks the pilots and doesn't force the 24 month PIC lock on them. We will likely be seeing many Global and 650 nowhere pilots until upgrades go to 3+ years again.

Thrash5 05-05-2024 07:25 PM

Although it seems like a very low possibility, what is the downside of getting assigned the Globals out of new hire training? Long time lurker here applying in a year or so, I would think the 5000/6000 have good maintenance and FDP or is it much lower than something like a laitutde? Is the FO seat lock longer?
I apologize for any missed terms in my post, still learning.

jtf560 05-05-2024 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by Thrash5 (Post 3799047)
Although it seems like a very low possibility, what is the downside of getting assigned the Globals out of new hire training? Long time lurker here applying in a year or so, I would think the 5000/6000 have good maintenance and FDP or is it much lower than something like a laitutde? Is the FO seat lock longer?
I apologize for any missed terms in my post, still learning.

The mx is hit or miss like most of the fleets and has been lower lately with scheduling using them to recover smaller airplane trips too much. The FDP is on the low side. The Lattitude and 350 are the kings of FDP. The seat lock is the same as all the others for the Globals. The training is longer- likely a month+ in Columbus with some days off in there, but not enough for the company to send you home. That month+ is on top of basic indoc training that you will likely do before the sim.

Thrash5 05-05-2024 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by jtf560 (Post 3799056)
The mx is hit or miss like most of the fleets and has been lower lately with scheduling using them to recover smaller airplane trips too much. The FDP is on the low side. The Lattitude and 350 are the kings of FDP. The seat lock is the same as all the others for the Globals. The training is longer- likely a month+ in Columbus with some days off in there, but not enough for the company to send you home. That month+ is on top of basic indoc training that you will likely do before the sim.

Thank you!

Cdiver1 05-11-2024 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by leomcgarry (Post 3798344)
Last Indoc class (April 15th hires) got the following:
  • 10 people on the Challenger 350
  • 9 people on the Latitude
  • 3 on the Longitude
  • 3 on the XLS
  • 2 on the Phenom

Almost everyone except the youngest folks in the class got one of their top 3 preferences.

Thanks for this! Anyone have the airframe assignments for the April 29th hires?

Treepilot 05-15-2024 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Cdiver1 (Post 3801249)
Thanks for this! Anyone have the airframe assignments for the April 29th hires?

4 CE-700
4 CE-560XL
24 EMB-505S

Looks like there's a lot of people about to be sitting at home waiting for Phenom IOE...

hammerhead 05-16-2024 03:24 AM

It appears they're changing the IOE footprint to cut the wait times


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