kingairfun

I agree, unless it is planned for growth it doesn't mean squat..And these deliveries/options are slated to start 2012-'13 and run through 2022(I believe) that's a long time frame we're dealing with...and that's just as planned replacement a/c....

NJA also talks about how all 4 Global types are nearly the same and the pilots can fly each one..IE: even more operational efficiency.....Two different Globals on a ramp and only one crew at the airport..No problem, we don't need to send another crew in, we've got one there....They can just switch a/c....

Climbto450

I hope it helps you guys get some of your pilots back to work. That will be good for the whole corporate industry.

Blackwing

Heavily Photoshopped. Look how the sun hits the clouds but isn't hitting the jets. Those jets were all photographed inside a hangar.

Columbia

Ya think? They couldn't get the 7000/8000 in paint and airborne before it was even made? Man, they fooled us all.

698jet

Don't know how true it is but I heard it's challenger 300 they orderd to replace the canceled orders of falcon 2000 due to cost . only what I heard lets see if it's true for I know the Global's cost a ton and to replace the flacons 2000 with a global don't add up if they are trying to save cost . but the 300 a super mid with a good record my be what they are doing . when it's on the ramp it's real tell then what ever . lol

kingairfun

Don't worry folks.... An "unofficial" official growth plan calculation is no net increase in the fleet for 10 years.... Although alot can happen in 2 years let alone 10, that is what has been told to NJASAP in some meeting with management. Why no one (furloughee or line pilot) has been made privy to that info is anyones guess...

Either way it's the first hard 10 year plan info so far...

UCLAbruins

I don't see much (or any growth) for a loooooong while. But that's not Sokol's fault, that's Santulli's. He grew Netjets too fast and too much that the buble burst... 495 of our guys left their jobs to come here just to get furloughed, but on Santulli's defense, how was he suppose to know that a reccesion was coming?

As far as recalls (provided we don't furlogh anymore), who knows... Like I said we have a ton of older and very senior guys getting fed up with all the changes, they're gonna call it quits soon... On the flip side the younger guys we thought might leave to go fly a "big plane" like Delta, Emirates and Qatar won't be going anywhere now with Globals on the way. This Global order will keep most of the new generation here

kingairfun

Being fed up and actually quitting a $150K job... Unless they really don't "need" to work, I wouldn't put too much money on that... But time will tell... Unless the pilots QOL drastically decreases on the road, I'd be more inclined to think that it was nothing more than a short term misery that fades away with time.... Much like the msg. boards. In a week there will be a lull in activity for a few weeks until the next big e-mail. But hoefully you are right.

As far as the younger guys, atleast on the SIC side. The pay expectations have been drastically reduced over the last 2 years. Plenty of guys will stay, but there have been a couple who have voiced they are dusting off the resume. I think our best bet for attrition will be the younger SIC's who are pretty much stuck at the $70-80K range on the 7/7. The only way to get close to the $100K level is to work the 18 day, and that schedule gets old after a short period of time. And being an SIC on a light jet for 10+ years can really get to some guys who could just as easily could be a 10yr SIC on a Boeing and have a higher pay expectation over that time.

I think eventually it will be attrition of the 60+ age group and junior younger SIC's finally deciding to reach for the big equipment as opposed to flying right seat in an Excel. Because they won't see the Global for a long time given how senior those planes would go.

By the time all this comes to fruition hopefully everyone of us is at a better place and can tell NJA to go f$ck off.... And that's probably(certainly) what management will want anyway.

dudemize

I think the 10 yr plan is very flexible. They keep telling us how much flexibility they have built into these new Embraer/Bombardier purchase agreements. If the economy does well, we could be pleasantly surprised. If the economy does poorly, maybe not so much.

dudemize

I'm certainly hoping to move on and I still feel there will be a good number of junior FOs and maybe even a few Capts that leave for the majors. It will be interesting to see.