So basically u have to eat out of one hand and ***t in the other.

This. (filler)

"Graduates" is a funny term;

1) XJT, as mentioned, had about 100 go over for year 2017.
2) "As expected?" What's that mean?
3) The first interviews were last May/June IIRC, they didn't go till Jan this year. The pass rate last summer was abysmal. They turned down some GREAT PEOPLE.

Summer 2000 hires went over early this summer. When classes resume in the fall, it will be the fall 2000 XJT pilots all the way to Spring 2001 XJT hires.

4) Sorry, can't answer on how many didn't have degrees, but there were some that didn't. Seems as if UAL makes this one up as they go along. They tell people different things about it and what constitutes "equivalent experience" or whatever.

I've read your inquiries about XJT and the CPP. For the junior guys on property, well, we'll see how it works out. Anybody NOT on property? Don't bank on it working.

Here's the thing, those 21 ERJ's that Commutair is supposed to get? Where will they come from? If it's XJT, well......

^^^^^TRUTH. Problem is, a certain HR person didn't like being told what to do. Hence the abysmal rate last summer. Hopefully, that's been fixed.

That depends on the particular CPP carrier. A Spring 2005 XJT hire sits just under the 100 mark in the XJT CPP pool. Going on the 25%, that's roughly 400 new hire spots needed before they go. XJT had Summer 2007 hires interview recently, they sit around 150-180 in the CPP pool. It'll be roughly 600-750 more OTS new hire slots before those pilots go over. Keep this in mind, UALALPA said 1200 new hires for 2018, the company just said 4-500 between newhires and the last of the recalls. So do the math. Of course, they'll change that number of new hires needed for 2018 next week....

So, that Spring 2005 hire, going on what they KNOW NOW, won't go till probably summer next year at the soonest. That Summer 2007 hire probably Early 2019, AT THE SOONEST. Again, going on what they know now.

Here's the thing, there's been no real definitive answer on how the second attempts will be dealt with. Rumors are all over. If the round 2 pilots are "accepted" this time, going on the ORIGINAL CPP language, they push down the pilots I listed above, which pushes back their projected class dates, etc.

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Last I heard from management is that 85 have gone over to UAL via the CPP. The first ones went over in November 2016, if I remember correctly.

Now that I think back, you're correct on the Nov 2016.

Was it BEFORE the announcement of the additional 2 classes that it was "roughly 100 will have gone to UAL via the CPP be year end 2017"?

Can't remember.

How does the UAL CPP program work for the folks who come through Airline Training Center Arizona (Lufthansa)? Is a legacy carrier REALLY hiring newly-minted ATP’s who have only flight instructed?? Sounds like a phenomenal opportunity for those selected, if so, but not sure if CA’s/other FO’s will be sharing the correct training gouge during indoc/IOE...

I'm also very interested in hearing from someone who is currently going through this program. I understand that this program is fairly new and those currently going through it are most likely still in the instructing stage of the program. Regardless, it would still be awesome to hear about the process and eventually the outcome, or perhaps it's the case that with the program being so small those currently participating in it would wish to remain anonymous which is, of course, understandable as well. :cool: