Great Lakes' Part 135 plan
02-19-2014, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by hypoxia
How could Cape Air pick up 9 seat flying for EAS in the Rocky Mountains? Everyone has to suck O2, non pressurized aircraft, poor performance aircraft for high MEA's among other factors.
No reason they couldn't pick up a few pressurized Cessna 414's for routes that needed it.
EAS cities have been loving Cape Air because they actually do what they say they're going to do and don't just cancel flights arbitrarily. That combined with lower cost of operation means that GLA 9-seat B1900 strategy is clearly a loser in the long term. They're trying to keep the contracts they have, but when they come up for renewal I don't see it happening.
02-19-2014, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ackattacker
Cape Air has shown a willingness to operate other aircraft if necessary, example being Islanders in the Caribbean for certain short fields.
No reason they couldn't pick up a few pressurized Cessna 414's for routes that needed it.
EAS cities have been loving Cape Air because they actually do what they say they're going to do and don't just cancel flights arbitrarily. That combined with lower cost of operation means that GLA 9-seat B1900 strategy is clearly a loser in the long term. They're trying to keep the contracts they have, but when they come up for renewal I don't see it happening.
No reason they couldn't pick up a few pressurized Cessna 414's for routes that needed it.
EAS cities have been loving Cape Air because they actually do what they say they're going to do and don't just cancel flights arbitrarily. That combined with lower cost of operation means that GLA 9-seat B1900 strategy is clearly a loser in the long term. They're trying to keep the contracts they have, but when they come up for renewal I don't see it happening.
Just referencing an unofficial performance chart for the C 414 at sea level, gross weight and ISA, the single engine climb performance is 240 to 310 feet per minute depending on engines. Picture a takeoff at Grand Junction, Rock Springs, Vernal Utah on a hot summer day, I doubt it can get to a VFR pattern altitude on one engine let alone the MEA in IMC unless they takeoff with one passenger and one carry-on and quarter tanks....maybe? Sounds cost effective to me...not!
http://www.ramaircraft.com/Aircraft-...erformance.htm
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02-19-2014, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hypoxia
I personally don't see a pressurized piston twin getting an EAS route in the Rocky Mountains! Sorry but Rocky Mountain passengers nowadays wouldn't step foot in a Cessna 414. No freakin' way Jose!
Just referencing an unofficial performance chart for the C 414 at sea level, gross weight and ISA, the single engine climb performance is 240 to 310 feet per minute depending on engines. Picture a takeoff at Grand Junction, Rock Springs, Vernal Utah on a hot summer day, I doubt it can get to a VFR pattern altitude on one engine let alone the MEA in IMC unless they takeoff with one passenger and one carry-on and quarter tanks....maybe?
RAM Performance - Cessna 414 Series VII
Just referencing an unofficial performance chart for the C 414 at sea level, gross weight and ISA, the single engine climb performance is 240 to 310 feet per minute depending on engines. Picture a takeoff at Grand Junction, Rock Springs, Vernal Utah on a hot summer day, I doubt it can get to a VFR pattern altitude on one engine let alone the MEA in IMC unless they takeoff with one passenger and one carry-on and quarter tanks....maybe?
RAM Performance - Cessna 414 Series VII
02-19-2014, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
Well, maybe some towns shouldn't have air service, then.
That's another discussion if you are talking about the merits of essential air service (EAS). I think it will be on the chopping block anyway! They have to fund "Obamacare" somehow!
02-19-2014, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hypoxia
That's another discussion if you are talking about the merits of essential air service (EAS). I think it will be on the chopping block anyway! They have to fund "Obamacare" somehow!
02-19-2014, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
I'd think conservatives would be first on the list for cutting non-essential government programs. What has obamacare have to do with EAS exactly?
02-19-2014, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultralight
You are really big on this aren't you, hence your screen name 
02-20-2014, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hypoxia
......and your ignorance about what type of aircraft is required for what type of operation is obvious. Hence your screen name!
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