Just 135ers. Go back to your shinny space shuttle


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What's the scoop on commuting? I've heard conflicting answers about whether it's commutable or not, whether you get any jumpseat or other travel benefits, etc. Some guys say no, but then I hear about guys (former instructors at my old school) that live near their base to fly, then fly home on time off. I once had a potential lead to apply and interview as an FO but graduation and my wife's job brought us to Phoenix so I didn't interview, but then my buddy with a wet part 141 commercial multi just got hired and started class, so it got me thinking if I should shoot an application.

So would it be safe to say 700h/year?. Or that's too generous.

And how's that agreement with Allegiance working? Is it any good/worth it?



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Any caravans based at boulder city?


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It's not very commutable, cabin seat "jumpseat" agreements only with most carriers except United and Alaska. Work schedule is 4 on/3 off - 5 on/2 off alternating on a 4 week bid. Home every night, but once in a blue moon you may have to overnight at another station for minimal per diem. Usual workday is something around 5:15am to 5:00pm or so, varies based on the line that you get for the day. Sometimes you get a later show, or a shorter day.

FO starting pay is $12/duty hour based on a 64.6 duty hour biweekly minimum guarantee.
Caravan pay is $15/hr.
Otter Captain pay starts at $22/hr.

Bases are BVU and GCN. The season will be over around the end of September, may trickle slightly into October. Pilots will get 230-300 flight hours during the six month period between Oct 1-Mar 31. There will be minimum guarantee checks during winter. Most pilots use winter as a recuperation period from summer, lots of time to travel and rest.

Contract: Otter is one-year, $10,000 training contract which they'll tell you starts the day you pass your checkride, but there's nothing in the contract about that, only one-year from date signed - which is your indoc date. Pro-rated after six months.

Caravan is one-year, $5,000 training contract or something in that range.

Training is very serious, Part 121 style training program. When GCA and Scenic Airlines merged, they took a lot of the training program from Scenic which was 121 at the time. The aircraft aren't very difficult to learn, but it is a lot of classroom and sim time. You can expect to fly your last couple training flights and checkride at 3am into LAS for your approaches.

Day to day isn't bad, but can get fatiguing. Anywhere from 4 to 10 legs daily, constantly taking photos with passengers, giving briefings, cleaning the cabin after every flight, etc. But, if you're a low-time guy, this place can launch your career with a year of hard work.

Great info!!, thanks a lot.
My low season still gives me 13h days haha, for maybe 1.5-2.5h of flight. LONG days.

Not sure if I could justify going through a new training instead of staying flying VFR here in PR. Vegas would be turbine though....and no humidity haha


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Word is that they are not seriously hiring at the moment, they are just collecting resumes for future use. No planned classes at the moment.

If I leave this, it'd be around January, after the high season. So we'll see haha.


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Makes sense. I'm guessing they may have commuted during the slower season? Perhaps worked out some schedule where they were on for a week and then off for a few days and they'd manage to catch a LAS-SLC flight or something. I just know my buddy in school mentioned it a few times, he and another student's instructors left for Scenic. Was also a while ago, year and a half or two years ago.

Still $12 an hour? Jesus, that's what it was when I worked there from 08-10. FYI scenic was 135 when they merged with GCA. They were 121 at some point before that, but not during the merger. Great place to work and get a taste of commercial aviation. Training was 121esque. Summer out of Vegas sucks. Summer at the south rim was fun, and the schedule was commutable. When I was here they just let us work out ou Own schedules at the canyon among the FOs.

Hope you are dry and safe in SJU!

It's coming today at 5pm to San Juan!, ask me again tomorrow haha


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OK, who wants to hook me up for that caravan or the Twotter? 🤣 I wanna move back to Vegas badly


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Looking for the dry heat are ya'? :D :p

Yesss haha


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Hey Javichu what happened to the fleet of Islanders?

Here I am, still flying those beauties


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Does anyone know the time minimums for FO?

Job offer says 500h


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Thanks, where did you find that at? I only see the captain posting on the website

It's on ClimbTo350, but if you've got your Commercial multi and instrument, throw in your app because there's a lot of guys that get hired fresh commercial.

Yeah my friend got hired and had wet Commercial AMEL/ASEL from part 141, so it wasn't even 250 hours. Unless he had done a significant amount of flying/renting planes outside of school, he probably didn't have more than 210-220tt

Cool. I am just asking for future reference. I am working PPL right now, instrument in the spring, and however long after that for commercial so I am a year or 18 months out.

I am just trying to come up with plans for when I get to 200+ hours to see if I am going to do CFI or find some other way to get to my ATP-R 1000 hour requirement

Threads a bit dusty, any news on classes for spring. Looking to have my com by end of January.

There's a class in January. 700TT "real" mins to apply.

January nice!. Lemme apply


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Train in January and fly 10-15hrs/month for the first 4 months while sitting at South Rim doing nothing and get paid $1950/month for doing it.

Thanks for the I forwarded Dera, are you with them currently?

Can any other current or recent pilots give any additional info on pay, hours/mo, and schedule. I'm sitting at 1200 hrs ASEL/AMEL, CFI/CFII, Instrument and would like to build the next 300 hrs as multi turbine in the Otter. Trying to determine if this would be a good jump to make?

I know a few of them and we have a few pilots here who used to fly for GCA. Pay is around $1900/month for Otter SIC, more in the summer when you can break guarantee. You'll be sitting idle in the South Rim for the winter, maybe flying 20-30 hours a month. Summer is much busier.
Otter has a 12 month training contract so probably not a great choice for you if airlines and 1500 hours is what you're looking for. You can build that 300 hours much faster elsewhere and not be tied with the contract.
"multi turbine time" isn't that valuable when it's turboprop SIC 99% VFR.

Grand Canyon Airlines
 

Dera: GCA public enemy #1 [emoji16][emoji119]


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I'm not hating them at all, they are a legit company that flies a lot in the summer.
But wintertime, you'll be bored dead.
They offered me a job, I declined.

You declined because you got the other job. Otherwise.... ;-)


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Otherwise I would sit idle at south rim making $1900/month and being miserable :)

You know what miserable is come on :)


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Dude, you forget I worked for a ****bag 135 VFR operator before my current gig :)

I say this once again - GCA is a great company, you just don't want to work there in the winter (unless you want to be stuck in south rim doing nothing and earning peanuts). Summertime if you want, you work and fly your a** off and make decent money. For someone wanting to do 300 hours, it's not the right place.

What kind of schedule do they offer?

Saw they are advertising for 208 captains and Twotter FO's again. Anyone know if this pay plan is still accurate?

I have a current 135.293 in a Caravan so I'm not too hot on the idea of a training contract. Also, is there a training contract as an FO in the Twotter? Id like to work this part time and keep my other gig part time because the benefits are quite good, but from what Ive seen that's not really an option. If any current or previous employee could chime in or PM me, thatd be great.

I recently found this? Does anyone know if GCA is hiring basically wet commercials? Is the FO pay still $12?

http://jobs.grandcanyonairlines.com/...ing-pilot.html

It was $12 an hour back in 2007 when I was there!