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Old 12-19-2017, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mojo6911 View Post
She's right. Duty time doesn't matter. I've had to manually deice. It sucks. Remember, you are the gatekeeper.
So how are you getting your 10 hours of rest in a 24 hour period, if you are on duty for more than 14?
You can be on duty, but you can't fly. I don't think that's his point.
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Old 12-19-2017, 04:04 PM
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I think what they mean is no where in the regs is duty-time limit defined. The only thing that is mentioned is you must have _____hrs of rest within the 24 hrs preceding a duty period in which a flight is assigned, depending on which regs your company follows. Also to be noted, rest periods cannot be retroactively assigned, meaning the cannot be adjusted after the fact. You have to know when you are going on duty. By process of elimination if you are coming onto duty with 10 hrs rest you have a max availability of 14 hrs after your duty-on. This is because at 14:01 of duty you can no longer look back 24 hrs and see 10 hrs of rest. This example is of course for crews in an unscheduled operation.
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Old 12-19-2017, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by EMAW View Post
I think what they mean is no where in the regs is duty-time limit defined. The only thing that is mentioned is you must have _____hrs of rest within the 24 hrs preceding a duty period in which a flight is assigned, depending on which regs your company follows. Also to be noted, rest periods cannot be retroactively assigned, meaning the cannot be adjusted after the fact. You have to know when you are going on duty. By process of elimination if you are coming onto duty with 10 hrs rest you have a max availability of 14 hrs after your duty-on. This is because at 14:01 of duty you can no longer look back 24 hrs and see 10 hrs of rest. This example is of course for crews in an unscheduled operation.
Exactly. The 14 hours isn't "codified" anywhere but it is derived from the 10 hour rest requirement - You can be on duty for 38 hours, you just can't fly during that duty period. So it's not a very relevant argument for a pilot.
Also important to remember that rest is defined as having "no obligation" to certificate holder, they can't make you clean planes/deice things or whatever and say "that wasn't duty, that was rest".
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