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Old 06-28-2018, 02:04 PM   #11  
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Mountain Air Cargo is about to initiate a ride along program in the Caravans that will utilize this ruling.
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Old 06-28-2018, 04:19 PM   #12  
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Mountain Air Cargo is about to initiate a ride along program in the Caravans that will utilize this ruling.
Anywhere I can get more info on this? Would be huge since my final goal is FedEx
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The thing is that the right seat meat isnít required. The company really has no reason to fill that position unless it helps them long-term. Theyíre an expense that only subtracts from the bottom line unless they stay.

I just realized...this is a perfect way to resurrect PFT/PFJ. Iím NOT advocating it, but if thereís no guarantee the SIC will stick around after they hit ATP mins, why should the company take a huge gamble with salary and training costs? However, if the pilot forks over $xxxxx, then works to PIC qualification AND then works as a PIC for 18 months, they get that upfront money returned plus interest. What about that?

It still sucks, but the company doesnít need SICs who arenít required by certification or operation. They need PICs.
It is PTF in some ways, with the contract. You are 100% right, they need PICís, all they need to do is whip out the checkbook and they will show up. Lots of pilots with 1200hrs out there needing 300hrs more to go 121. Make the pay nice, schedule reasonable and such, people will stick around past 1500hrs. Imagine how bad the piston feeders have it.... that might take its own thread to sort out though.
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It is PTF in some ways, with the contract. You are 100% right, they need PICís, all they need to do is whip out the checkbook and they will show up. Lots of pilots with 1200hrs out there needing 300hrs more to go 121. Make the pay nice, schedule reasonable and such, people will stick around past 1500hrs. Imagine how bad the piston feeders have it.... that might take its own thread to sort out though.

I bet a minority of the pilots would stick around IF they go the XYZ Air to get 300 hrs in order to get the ATP mins. I donít want to offend anybody so Iíll spare mentioning specific locations, but many of the outstation bases are not places to live unless youíre from there.
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I bet a minority of the pilots would stick around IF they go the XYZ Air to get 300 hrs in order to get the ATP mins. I donít want to offend anybody so Iíll spare mentioning specific locations, but many of the outstation bases are not places to live unless youíre from there.
For sure a minority amount will not stay long term. Getting some TPIC in Metro or 1900 is going to help keep people around. A lot depends on the company too, Of course. Crew apartments and cars help a ton. Having a Monday or Friday off is nice too. Itís the dirt bag 135s that have crew waiting all day in the lounge that will see the most hurt.
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For sure a minority amount will not stay long term. Getting some TPIC in Metro or 1900 is going to help keep people around. A lot depends on the company too, Of course. Crew apartments and cars help a ton. Having a Monday or Friday off is nice too. Itís the dirt bag 135s that have crew waiting all day in the lounge that will see the most hurt.
And those operators should feel the hurt, in my opinion.
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I see more contracts in the future.
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I think this is a pretty clear indication that if you were logging the time previously, you were doing it incorrectly, if your company didnít have an opspec requiring two pilots. And going forward, it is still incorrect unless your company adopts and gets the new opspec approved by their POI.
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I think this is a pretty clear indication that if you were logging the time previously, you were doing it incorrectly, if your company didnít have an opspec requiring two pilots. And going forward, it is still incorrect unless your company adopts and gets the new opspec approved by their POI.
The more I read this, the more it seems this way.
Apparently they want to make these SIC programs, such as the ACP at Ameriflight, more widespread.
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So I apologize in advance as I am still fairly new to the aviation industry on the commercial side.

Would someone be able to break this down in more simple terms? I always see postings for King Air SIC, Cheyenne SIC, PC-12 etc. for Part 135 companies but I've avoided even applying because the whole logging it thing always confused me. To be honest even the revision is not really making sense.

My biggest fear would be taking a SIC job in a king air for a 135 then finding out the time was worthless when its regional time. I would appreciate any help.
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