FAA Revises SIC time logging regulations
07-28-2018, 09:42 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr
Took you long enough to get your AMF slap in, Jet.
Actually, my point on this whole thing is, if the pilots are able to use the time we pay them to get to bolt to the regionals, why would AMF hire them is the first place? Why would we pay them to advance their carriers to only get a couple of months productive work out of them?
If it is going to take the 135 operator getting permission to implement a new pilot development program to allow pilots to log time that doesn't help the operator, why would any of them do it?
Actually, my point on this whole thing is, if the pilots are able to use the time we pay them to get to bolt to the regionals, why would AMF hire them is the first place? Why would we pay them to advance their carriers to only get a couple of months productive work out of them?
If it is going to take the 135 operator getting permission to implement a new pilot development program to allow pilots to log time that doesn't help the operator, why would any of them do it?
07-28-2018, 11:07 AM
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It’s time to rewrite 135 pilot qualification regulations. The FAA and the media has made it clear they don’t care about “all cargo operators” compared to passenger 135 operations. Set the 135 IFR minimums to 500TT for the cargo guys and watch the numbers apply. They will get at least a couple years or more out of them before 1500 hrs. Just saying.
07-28-2018, 12:06 PM
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The solution is simple: places like AMF need to incentivize their workforce to want to stay. QOL, schedules, benefits, and pay are far lacking compared to today’s regional offering. It’s not the pilots fault that they left, it’s AMF fault for not being able to retain. Pilots will stay to become PIC only if you offer them good trips, a CBA, schedule/trip trades, non-rev/ZED pass travel, and a glimmer of hope that a legacy airline will even look at them. But as long as the equipment is antiquated, the layovers are embarrassing, and the schedule is crap nobody in their right mind is going to stay.
07-28-2018, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Fr8Thrust
The solution is simple: places like AMF need to incentivize their workforce to want to stay. QOL, schedules, benefits, and pay are far lacking compared to today’s regional offering. It’s not the pilots fault that they left, it’s AMF fault for not being able to retain. Pilots will stay to become PIC only if you offer them good trips, a CBA, schedule/trip trades, non-rev/ZED pass travel, and a glimmer of hope that a legacy airline will even look at them. But as long as the equipment is antiquated, the layovers are embarrassing, and the schedule is crap nobody in their right mind is going to stay.
...because companies are in the business of providing jobs and not making money?
Again, if the company can’t lock in a PDP SIC for 1000 hrs of PIC time, what’s the benefit of paying that non-required pilot as the SIC?
07-28-2018, 12:56 PM
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I can see AMF being in a tough spot. Maybe they need to partner with American Eagle carriers to be a pipeline for them. Let American pay part of the cost. Perhaps in lieu of contract, say you get a seniority number at X hours if you stay X hours. We need some innovative ideas to fix the pilot supply problem.
07-28-2018, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 100LL
It’s time to rewrite 135 pilot qualification regulations. The FAA and the media has made it clear they don’t care about “all cargo operators” compared to passenger 135 operations. Set the 135 IFR minimums to 500TT for the cargo guys and watch the numbers apply. They will get at least a couple years or more out of them before 1500 hrs. Just saying.
Why bother putting a semi-qualified pilot with enough training to open the aircraft door in the seat, when we can put a kid who can't tie his shoe laces or recognize an engine failure into the airplane, throw him into IMC with embedded thunderstorms and ice with hail, and launch him out over the busy north east corridor so that when he comes down in a spinning wreck, he can rain upon aunt sally's brownstone apartment with the 300 kids and a dozen endangered canaries, and the urgent blood specimins he's carrying for dying kids can be incinerated in the ensuing fireball. Why not make it 250 hours? 100?
Why not just come out and say it, FAA: it's not about safety, it's about putting entitled buttocks in seats. No need to work that ass off and gain experience like many of us have, when the entitled little ****ant can be rushed through, be given full authority and experience and then off to fly paying passengers in the mighty regionals? Land ho? Hell no, but the bottom's in sight, lo' almighty, the bottom's in sight. Here we come.
07-28-2018, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by deadstick35
...because companies are in the business of providing jobs and not making money?
Again, if the company can’t lock in a PDP SIC for 1000 hrs of PIC time, what’s the benefit of paying that non-required pilot as the SIC?
Again, if the company can’t lock in a PDP SIC for 1000 hrs of PIC time, what’s the benefit of paying that non-required pilot as the SIC?
07-28-2018, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr
Took you long enough to get your AMF slap in, Jet.
Actually, my point on this whole thing is, if the pilots are able to use the time we pay them to get to bolt to the regionals, why would AMF hire them is the first place? Why would we pay them to advance their carriers to only get a couple of months productive work out of them?
If it is going to take the 135 operator getting permission to implement a new pilot development program to allow pilots to log time that doesn't help the operator, why would any of them do it?
Actually, my point on this whole thing is, if the pilots are able to use the time we pay them to get to bolt to the regionals, why would AMF hire them is the first place? Why would we pay them to advance their carriers to only get a couple of months productive work out of them?
If it is going to take the 135 operator getting permission to implement a new pilot development program to allow pilots to log time that doesn't help the operator, why would any of them do it?
It is an internal issue that AMF can't keep pilots. It isn't an industry issue at all. AMF and other 135 freight jobs got to capitalize on entrapping pilots below ATP mins for a bite but we all know they would just bail anyway.
Make people want to stay, and they will, period. Don't force them with indentured servitude.
07-29-2018, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
I can see AMF being in a tough spot. Maybe they need to partner with American Eagle carriers to be a pipeline for them. Let American pay part of the cost. Perhaps in lieu of contract, say you get a seniority number at X hours if you stay X hours. We need some innovative ideas to fix the pilot supply problem.
07-29-2018, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Sure. Let's take the already ridiculously bull ****-low numbers and dumb them down further, just like the trends with recreational pilots and sport pilots and driver-license medicals. The race to the bottom should continue unabated until dribbling, mewling star struck millennials can't even follow a 2" wide magenta line across the street, let alone to a Wendy's on the next corner.
Why bother putting a semi-qualified pilot with enough training to open the aircraft door in the seat, when we can put a kid who can't tie his shoe laces or recognize an engine failure into the airplane, throw him into IMC with embedded thunderstorms and ice with hail, and launch him out over the busy north east corridor so that when he comes down in a spinning wreck, he can rain upon aunt sally's brownstone apartment with the 300 kids and a dozen endangered canaries, and the urgent blood specimins he's carrying for dying kids can be incinerated in the ensuing fireball. Why not make it 250 hours? 100?
Why not just come out and say it, FAA: it's not about safety, it's about putting entitled buttocks in seats. No need to work that ass off and gain experience like many of us have, when the entitled little ****ant can be rushed through, be given full authority and experience and then off to fly paying passengers in the mighty regionals? Land ho? Hell no, but the bottom's in sight, lo' almighty, the bottom's in sight. Here we come.
Why bother putting a semi-qualified pilot with enough training to open the aircraft door in the seat, when we can put a kid who can't tie his shoe laces or recognize an engine failure into the airplane, throw him into IMC with embedded thunderstorms and ice with hail, and launch him out over the busy north east corridor so that when he comes down in a spinning wreck, he can rain upon aunt sally's brownstone apartment with the 300 kids and a dozen endangered canaries, and the urgent blood specimins he's carrying for dying kids can be incinerated in the ensuing fireball. Why not make it 250 hours? 100?
Why not just come out and say it, FAA: it's not about safety, it's about putting entitled buttocks in seats. No need to work that ass off and gain experience like many of us have, when the entitled little ****ant can be rushed through, be given full authority and experience and then off to fly paying passengers in the mighty regionals? Land ho? Hell no, but the bottom's in sight, lo' almighty, the bottom's in sight. Here we come.
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