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in2deep 12-05-2018 03:09 PM

Delta Private Jets
 
Does anyone have any current information on the company? All the other threads have died and I understand a lot has changed since.

FlyCO 12-05-2018 04:14 PM

What do you want to know?

in2deep 12-05-2018 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by FlyCO (Post 2719596)
What do you want to know?

Mainly QOL. Are they still doing rental cars? Airport sits?

PICsf340 12-06-2018 05:16 AM

Pay
 
Current pay scales? That seems to be elusive. Upgrade times?

captfred 12-06-2018 07:01 AM

Training contract
 

Originally Posted by PICsf340 (Post 2719835)
Current pay scales? That seems to be elusive. Upgrade times?

Is there still a 2 year training contract?

FlyCO 12-07-2018 04:02 AM

Yes, there is still a 2 year contract prorated for 24 months. Shouldn't be more than 15k. You will get a PIC type and they will pay for ATP-CTP if you need it.

SIC Pay:
1: 54,750
2: 56,750
3: 58,750
4: 60,750
5: 62,750

PIC Light & Mid Pay
1: 87,000
2: 90,000
3: 93,000
4: 96,000
5: 99,000

The pay scale continues up to year 12. The large and super mids have another pay scale for Pics but it will take you 7-8 years before you will touch one of those as a captain.

Upgrade is at 3000 hours total time and about 18 months with the company.

QOL is okay to good on the road. No rental cars but you can uber on the company. You get a meal paid for if you have a duty over 6 hours and you are flying. Hotels are mostly Marriott and Hilton properties.

Expect to fly 400 hours a year. Busy days are 4-5 leg days. Standars is 2-3. Some weeks you are on min rest all week. Others you may only fly 10 hours over your 8 day rotation. Expect to have a 6am flight on day 1 and not landing at your home airport until at least 5pm on day 8.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

FlyCO 12-07-2018 04:14 AM

I forgot to mention there is airport standby for certain VIP clients. 99% of the time if you aren't flying you are at the hotel. I've been here for about a year and have never sat airport standby.

in2deep 12-07-2018 09:12 AM

How often are classes running? Any outside flying allowed?

FlyCO 12-07-2018 10:40 AM

1-2 classes a month. Outside flying is allowed but 91 only.

flyjustinfly 12-07-2018 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by FlyCO (Post 2720502)
Yes, there is still a 2 year contract prorated for 24 months. Shouldn't be more than 15k. You will get a PIC type and they will pay for ATP-CTP if you need it.

SIC Pay:
1: 54,750
2: 56,750
3: 58,750
4: 60,750
5: 62,750

PIC Light & Mid Pay
1: 87,000
2: 90,000
3: 93,000
4: 96,000
5: 99,000

The pay scale continues up to year 12. The large and super mids have another pay scale for Pics but it will take you 7-8 years before you will touch one of those as a captain.

Upgrade is at 3000 hours total time and about 18 months with the company.

QOL is okay to good on the road. No rental cars but you can uber on the company. You get a meal paid for if you have a duty over 6 hours and you are flying. Hotels are mostly Marriott and Hilton properties.

Expect to fly 400 hours a year. Busy days are 4-5 leg days. Standars is 2-3. Some weeks you are on min rest all week. Others you may only fly 10 hours over your 8 day rotation. Expect to have a 6am flight on day 1 and not landing at your home airport until at least 5pm on day 8.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Sent you and IM

jlalcido 12-13-2018 07:26 PM

What are the SIC minimums? I didn't see any listed.

FlyCO 12-14-2018 02:06 AM

There are no official mins that I know of right now. However, You probably won't get goes hired unless you are qualified to take the ATP/CTP course and get your ATP. So 1500 for most. Less if you attended a 141 university program.

Aphineday 12-19-2018 05:57 AM

No street captains, right?

FlyCO 12-19-2018 07:27 AM

Correct unless you apply for a managed aircraft position

in2deep 12-19-2018 08:08 AM

Which aircraft make up the core fleet?

FlyCO 12-19-2018 10:07 AM

CJ, Excel, Sovereign, X, and Challenger 604

As an FO you can sit right seat in any fleet. Purely based on need. However, you most likely will be in a CJ or Excel since they are our largest fleets. You will upgrade into a CJ or Excel when the time comes. It takes 7 plus years to be a PIC on anything other than a CJ or Excel.

cmbarrera720 11-19-2019 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by FlyCO (Post 2719596)
What do you want to know?

Do pilots sign promissory letters for training given? IOW, does pilots owe time in the company for type rating training?

FlyCO 11-19-2019 03:28 PM

You sign a 24 month training contract. Expect it to be worth $10-12k.

JRSK 11-28-2019 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by FlyCO (Post 2926601)
You sign a 24 month training contract. Expect it to be worth $10-12k.

That's a long contract. Don't most other outfits just have a 12 month contract?

Tattooedaviator 01-24-2020 03:36 AM

Phone screen complete...
 
Phone screen with a DPJ Captain this morning. Was asked what I knew about the company. This immediately led to talk about the merger with WU. Followed by a couple of HR questions, then more talk about the company, lifestyle, benefits, pay etc.

The biggest unknown for the pilots, from what the CPT explained to me, is that everything is s rumor and no one knows for sure what things will look like in a year.

I specifically asked about the merger being with WU and not GAMA (WU pilots). I was told no one knows if DPJ will compete for seniority with the GAMA pilots, if the pay scale will change (similar, but not exactly the same), etc. The CPT said the pilots were caught by surprise that this was happening.

The pilots will no longer have the Delta privileges, but at the same time will be able to fly any airline to work and keep the miles. Plus that leaves more options for airports for home-basing- not tied to Delta only.

Currently hiring for the Citation XL and Citation Jet. Training contract is prorated for two years. 1st year FO is 58K, 3-4K pay raise annually. once CPT, pay is 96k. $45/day per diem while on the road (added to your pay check). 14 hour day with progressive rest cycle (call ops when you're done for the day, turn off phone, turn it back on 12 hours later to learn about the day's mission- 2 hours from that point to be ready to go). Minimum CPT hours is 3000 and plan on 18-24 months upgrade time. That being said, if you already have the hours, and say you're number 4 on the seniority list (and have the 18 mos), but the 3 FOs ahead of you don't have at least 3000 hours, you would get the nod for captain.

Additionally, if DPJ hires you (for a jet), you will not become a WU King Air pilot. You are being hired for the jet.

My question to the community, which isn't immediately answerable, is how long will Wheels Up use two different pilot pools? Since Wheels Up bought DPJ, will they really need GAMA too much longer?

JasonR 01-24-2020 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by pellfdavis (Post 2963070)
My question to the community, which isn't immediately answerable, is how long will Wheels Up use two different pilot pools? Since Wheels Up bought DPJ, will they really need GAMA too much longer?

I can’t directly answer the question, but the King Air and CJ/XL don’t exactly have the same mission profile. There are plenty of others in the WU pay info thread who have made predictions about the future as related to the acquisition of both DPJ and TMC.

EMAW 01-24-2020 11:47 AM

The answer is yes, GAMA will be needed for the foreseeable future. There are 90+ KingAirs in the fleet that must still be flown. The KingAir goes places that neither the XL or the X, or many other jets for that matter can go legally. The partnership has done 2 things. 1. It has increased the lift availability for WU. 2. It’s allowed Delta to take a step back without totally backing out of the private market. Both brands should thrive.

Now, I’m not going to prognosticate on what will happen down the road, but these partnerships are solid for the time being.

UhOhItsTheFiveO 03-27-2020 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by pellfdavis (Post 2963070)
Phone screen with a DPJ Captain this morning. Was asked what I knew about the company. This immediately led to talk about the merger with WU. Followed by a couple of HR questions, then more talk about the company, lifestyle, benefits, pay etc.

The biggest unknown for the pilots, from what the CPT explained to me, is that everything is s rumor and no one knows for sure what things will look like in a year.

I specifically asked about the merger being with WU and not GAMA (WU pilots). I was told no one knows if DPJ will compete for seniority with the GAMA pilots, if the pay scale will change (similar, but not exactly the same), etc. The CPT said the pilots were caught by surprise that this was happening.

The pilots will no longer have the Delta privileges, but at the same time will be able to fly any airline to work and keep the miles. Plus that leaves more options for airports for home-basing- not tied to Delta only.

Currently hiring for the Citation XL and Citation Jet. Training contract is prorated for two years. 1st year FO is 58K, 3-4K pay raise annually. once CPT, pay is 96k. $45/day per diem while on the road (added to your pay check). 14 hour day with progressive rest cycle (call ops when you're done for the day, turn off phone, turn it back on 12 hours later to learn about the day's mission- 2 hours from that point to be ready to go). Minimum CPT hours is 3000 and plan on 18-24 months upgrade time. That being said, if you already have the hours, and say you're number 4 on the seniority list (and have the 18 mos), but the 3 FOs ahead of you don't have at least 3000 hours, you would get the nod for captain.

Additionally, if DPJ hires you (for a jet), you will not become a WU King Air pilot. You are being hired for the jet.

My question to the community, which isn't immediately answerable, is how long will Wheels Up use two different pilot pools? Since Wheels Up bought DPJ, will they really need GAMA too much longer?

I too recently had a phone screen and this was word for word how it went. Just waiting to hear TBNT or you're moving on for an interview. If I get the interview, does anyone have a lead on what it entailed? I haven't been able to find much on a DPJ interview recently. Thanks. 5-0.

BuddhaPilot73 03-27-2020 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by UhOhItsTheFiveO (Post 3013627)
I too recently had a phone screen and this was word for word how it went. Just waiting to hear TBNT or you're moving on for an interview. If I get the interview, does anyone have a lead on what it entailed? I haven't been able to find much on a DPJ interview recently. Thanks. 5-0.

Expect to sit down with HR and the CP or DO at a minimum. Typical questions from HR were TMAT, your leadership/followership beliefs and style, and conflict resolution scenarios. CP did more of a technical and asked me to brief a SID, STAR, and Approach that he chose. The rest of the questions were about specific things on those plates and controller phraseology for STARS and SID’s. He also brought out the TEB Rudy 6 and ILS 06 and asked questions about the high bust areas on those.

UhOhItsTheFiveO 03-27-2020 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by BuddhaPilot73 (Post 3013764)
Expect to sit down with HR and the CP or DO at a minimum. Typical questions from HR were TMAT, your leadership/followership beliefs and style, and conflict resolution scenarios. CP did more of a technical and asked me to brief a SID, STAR, and Approach that he chose. The rest of the questions were about specific things on those plates and controller phraseology for STARS and SID’s. He also brought out the TEB Rudy 6 and ILS 06 and asked questions about the high bust areas on those.

Thanks Buddha! Much appreciated!

Username here 03-29-2020 04:31 PM

What airframe are new hires being assigned? Do they inform you of the airframe with the job offer?

BuddhaPilot73 03-31-2020 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Username here (Post 3016544)
What airframe are new hires being assigned? Do they inform you of the airframe with the job offer?

I’m not core fleet, but my understanding is XL and CJ. There’s still a 2 year promissory for the type as well.

Username here 03-31-2020 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by BuddhaPilot73 (Post 3018292)
I’m not core fleet, but my understanding is XL and CJ. There’s still a 2 year promissory for the type as well.

Am I wrong in thinking that I cannot log the SIC time in the CJ3?

stang 03-31-2020 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Username here (Post 3018299)
Am I wrong in thinking that I cannot log the SIC time in the CJ3?

Guessing Ops Spec requires it.

UhOhItsTheFiveO 04-01-2020 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by BuddhaPilot73 (Post 3018292)
I’m not core fleet, but my understanding is XL and CJ. There’s still a 2 year promissory for the type as well.


Originally Posted by Username here (Post 3018299)
Am I wrong in thinking that I cannot log the SIC time in the CJ3?

When I spoke with the Captain that did my initial phone screen I was told the XL and the CJ are the starting platforms for FOs. I was also told from him that all time was able to be logged.

nfpilot914 04-01-2020 12:56 PM

Is Delta Private Jets hiring still?

VandalF16 04-01-2020 02:10 PM

Video chat interviews are still happening. Most likely hiring into a pool to draw from when some demand returns to the industry.

BuddhaPilot73 04-01-2020 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Username here (Post 3018299)
Am I wrong in thinking that I cannot log the SIC time in the CJ3?

Yes, you can log it. DPJ requires an SIC even in single pilot aircraft per Ops Spec. My understanding is that CJ pilots get a PIC w/SIC required restriction during initial type training. You have the option to get that removed at the next refresher.

EMAW 04-01-2020 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by BuddhaPilot73 (Post 3020222)
Yes, you can log it. DPJ requires an SIC even in single pilot aircraft per Ops Spec. My understanding is that CJ pilots get a PIC w/SIC required restriction during initial type training. You have the option to get that removed at the next refresher.

Almost correct. The 135 regulations require an SIC for passenger carrying ops. In order to operate single-pilot you have to apply for and receive the OPSPEC A015 “Autopilot in lieu of SIC”. Even if the captain was single-pilot typed, the operation requires an SIC without the specific OPSPEC.
In addition, 10 or more pax seats (which I know doesn’t apply here) OPSPEC A015 ever applies,

BuddhaPilot73 04-02-2020 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by EMAW (Post 3020259)
Almost correct. The 135 regulations require an SIC for passenger carrying ops. In order to operate single-pilot you have to apply for and receive the OPSPEC A015 “Autopilot in lieu of SIC”. Even if the captain was single-pilot typed, the operation requires an SIC without the specific OPSPEC.
In addition, 10 or more pax seats (which I know doesn’t apply here) OPSPEC A015 ever applies,

That’s the more correct reason regulation-wise. However, DPJ does no single pilot operations at all and if your type is tagged with SIC required, then you require one regardless of 91/135. You can’t even operate a SP certified jet on DPJ’s certificate for the owner on a 91 leg without a typed and current SIC. NetJets is the same way with their Phenoms. Unless you were SP before getting hired or get the restriction removed later on, their PICs have the SIC required restriction. In those cases, A015 doesn’t apply and the SIC can legally log the time.

EMAW 04-02-2020 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by BuddhaPilot73 (Post 3021010)
That’s the more correct reason regulation-wise. However, DPJ does no single pilot operations at all and if your type is tagged with SIC required, then you require one regardless of 91/135. You can’t even operate a SP certified jet on DPJ’s certificate for the owner on a 91 leg without a typed and current SIC. NetJets is the same way with their Phenoms. Unless you were SP before getting hired or get the restriction removed later on, their PICs have the SIC required restriction. In those cases, A015 doesn’t apply and the SIC can legally log the time.

Also true.
I was more correcting the statement of what causes an operation to require an SIC. in other words, the 135 REGS require a SIC. All aircraft, all companies. OPSPEC A015 is the exception for aircraft with 9 passenger seats or less and a working autopilot in lieu of an SIC.

in2deep 04-04-2020 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Username here (Post 3018299)
Am I wrong in thinking that I cannot log the SIC time in the CJ3?


Its not even about the ops specs. The CJ is only a single pilot airplane if the PIC is single pilot typed.

LLWS09R 04-05-2020 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by in2deep (Post 3023724)
Its not even about the ops specs. The CJ is only a single pilot airplane if the PIC is single pilot typed.

while I have no idea about your op spec personally. Most carrier do state the amount of pilots required to conduct 135 operations. If the company has stated that to the FAA and insurance rating companies ( which most require it) Its SIC time by default. Most companies also operate part 91 flying under 135 policy. The company essentially admitting it falls under 135 policy. How ever if your a manged aircraft that strictly flys sololy 91 but the aircraft owner wants you there for safety maybe it doesn’t count. But no airline can or would require you to show them releases stating the operational release for another companies flights. At this point it would fall under the “Honor System”

For example WUP which soon you will fall under. It states while the KA350 is certified as a single pilot aircraft. Two pilots are required for operations. I think like 4 pilots at WUP actually have the single pilot endorsement on their license. So by default all pilots flying can legally record anytime.

Avcat 04-06-2020 10:51 AM

Question about home basing...when starting and ending a rotation, are you positioned to/from your home airport on a "work" day or an "off" day? I.e. position to work on Rotation day 1 vs. Off day 6. Thanks!

UhOhItsTheFiveO 04-07-2020 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Avcat (Post 3025330)
Question about home basing...when starting and ending a rotation, are you positioned to/from your home airport on a "work" day or an "off" day? I.e. position to work on Rotation day 1 vs. Off day 6. Thanks!

The way I understood it from the explanation during my phone screen is that you are positioned to and from your home airport on the first and last day you are ON. You will not be positioning on your day off.


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