SWABlue

Are you the log book police? Who cares how someone logs time. If a company doesn't like it. Then it's the applicants problem.

Have you thought maybe he's trying to help people who might log things without realizing the implications. Most posters here are professional pilots who at one point or another have had their logbooks dug through. Some companies skim over them, some tear them apart. There's no reason for you to waste a perfectly good interview because of something idiotic.

Most of the logging posts tend to come from low time guys who don't know any better, or the guys who are finding any way they can to skim the edge of truth and check boxes on the application. You can log what you want, true, but to think that what's in your logbook could never cost you a job is naiive at best.

Well said. Thanks for saying it much better than I could have.

Many have had their heart broken by this profession. I am an advocate of trying to minimize that for some. Kind of my way of giving back I guess.

OK. Now that is interesting. Can you share the difference in minimums between single pilot and one with an SIC aboard?

Any chance you can share that part of your ops specs?

Thanks.

And as always, good luck to us all.

There's no point in arguing the pay to play FO topic again for a single pilot cargo operation.

It is allowed per a company Ops Spec, and yes it's looked down upon in the US. However, that doesn't matter because most of these guys are from a country without a GA industry and this is how they get the time to go to their national airline. It is not only accepted, they are funneled through the program by the airline. I told the two Americans that came through our base (for 100 hours each instead of the usual 500+) flat out that the time is looked down upon. They knew it, but decided to waste their money anyway because it was 1/4 the price of renting a twin.

I have no involvement with the "pay to play" topic but for the foreign carriers I can see where this would be accepted. In the highly competitive US market I can understand where it may not.

In this "pay for play" opportunity is the time logged as SIC or PIC?

As someone who has the foreign FO's flying with me from time to time I have asked them, and I may be wrong, but they said they log PIC "sole manipulator" and total time only. Their countries airlines just care that they have a 1000tt. Again this is just info I have gleamed while flying with them and what they log means nothing to me one way or another.

I think they do indeed log the sole manipulator time in the under 12,500 lb aircraft as PIC time, not sure about the larger ones requiring type ratings. But you must remember what they are logging for. It's not to apply to a major here that requires you signed for the airplane. It's so they can obtain an ATP someday, and for that it's perfectly valid. I don't mean to sound like a cheerleader of the system, because the whole thing is kind of foolish and except for when you're loading/unloading it's easier to fly without them. However, it is their money and does accomplish their goal of getting to their foreign carrier, without taking the job of anyone here.

We do have an exemption to 61.51 that allows AMF to assign an SIC to a flight which would not otherwise require and SIC and allow them to log the flight time.

There is not stipulation in the exemption about it being for purposes of lower than standard takeoff minimums, though that is one advantage to us in some aircraft.

One thing I would definitely agree with you about, SWABlue, is that if they were to log it as PIC, it only counts as part 91 PIC, not part 61. And 61 is what employers are looking for. So it doesn't do any good for PIC time requirements and my recommendation to guys is that they log it AS SIC time so there is no confusion. But it should be valid as total time as much as if they were flying right seat in any other aircraft.

Yes, it's been years since I've had an American FO.

When was the most junior pilot in SLC hired? From reading the thread it seems like it is somewhat difficult to get in there?